Why's GPT 4o insanely limited to free users and even plus users? It literally barely gives you 5 messages in 5-6 hours to the free users

Even for the paid and plus users, 25-30 messages in 3 hours seem quite low and not worth 20 dollars, will we ever get more message limit soon or will there be no changes in message limit?

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Welcome to the Forum!

Are you really complaining about limitations for a free service? :thinking:

Additionally, the information about the limits for Plus users is incorrect. Please see below:

As of May 13th 2024, Plus users will be able to send up to 80 messages every 3 hours on GPT-4o and up to 40 messages every 3 hours on GPT-4. We may reduce the limit during peak hours to keep GPT-4 and GPT-4o accessible to the widest number of people.

Source: https://help.openai.com/en/articles/7102672-how-can-i-access-gpt-4-gpt-4-turbo-and-gpt-4o

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It is in test period and oncourse that will be happen as soon as system become more stable after more people start using it and system can handle requests in good quality.

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They were actually complaining about the paid version

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Iā€™ve been using GPT actively every day since its release, especially for business purposes, but also personal purposes, and Iā€™ve only hit the limit a couple of times in that entire time frame.

When the limit was 20 messages per 3 hours, my approach changed to writing several prompts per message as a numbered list. GPT spits them back to me in the same order, so itā€™s easy to hold conversations like this, and granted you donā€™t have a very particular need for writing short and concise messages, you should be able to utilize this strategy in one way or another.

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I pay 31$ Canadian per month and its limited ā€¦ big no way ā€¦unacceptable

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remember that if the prices for this seem too high and the limitations too broad, it may be a good idea to consider learning about gpt-4(o)'s API and how to use it (and if not, there are many online repos+replits+other premade scripts). APIs run on tokens, which are more countable and easier to work with

Look the time now 14:57
And look what he say limit until 12:09 pm

Its 9 hours!!!
Not 3 hours as they say.
And im plus user

Its ok if u want to limit with rules in advance. Yea we all know the limit that what we register for.
But if u not follow the rule u made that absolutely insane and not right.

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18-months ago there was no amount of money you could spend to have any access to an AI model this capable, and now people are complaining about how limited the free access isā€¦

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Iā€™m not a fan of this exaggeration either. Whatā€™s ā€˜insaneā€™ in this context?

From what I can see in the community and from what other providers like Anthropic offer, this is a good way for everyone to access the models.

I understand why itā€™s limited to free users but at least offer a cheaper alternative. If it was Ā£5 for 20 uses then Ā£20 for 80 then that would be fine but thereā€™s not. Limiting gpt 4o at all for the Ā£20 would be like google limiting the amount of ad free videos with YouTube premium. Personally I think Ā£5 for 40 uses and then Ā£20 for as many as u want would be best. Remember itā€™s a subscription not an upfront purchase.

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Is this the most nerd emoji response of all time? :nerd_face: Iā€™m thinking so.
Did you know that you can use hyperbole rhetorically? Is this your first encounter with this? You know that what they said could even be argued to not be an exaggeration as if you were to have such a business model 30 years ago, people would laugh in your face. Free limited use or paid slightly less limited use for 20 dollars, monthly subscription. It is certainly unreasonable, but even unreasonable can be argued to be an exaggerated statement.

TL:DR; Iā€™m not a fan of you splitting hairs on the adjectives people use.

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Calling a free service ā€œinsanely limitedā€ because it has restrictions on the flagship models is unnecessary and hyperbolic.

Paid users currently get 80 messages every three hours, which is definitely competitive. A simple comparison to other providers, which have even stricter limitations, proves this.

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I have been frozen out for the entire last week of my subscription that I cancelled. There is no feedback anywhere about why itā€™s frozen what they intend to do about it, nothing. VERY DISAPOINTED

80 messages every 3 hours? For an average month thatā€™s about 19,440 messagesā€¦

I dont even talk a quarter of that to the bl00dy wife. And itā€™s a hell of a lot more polite, intelligent and better natured than the bl00dy wife.

And at only Ā£20 month for all that intelligent and interesting conversation with Chat-gpt4o compared to the few monthly grunts and farts I get off the bl00dy wife for Ā£100ā€™s+ a monthā€¦ Chat-gpt 3.5, 4 and 4o dont require regular haircuts, makeup, fags, wine foodā€¦ yawns

Stop whinging peopleā€¦ your negativity may rub off onto my, now, better half! :slight_smile:

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Not to mention the garbage-answers which force the user to ask additional questionsā€¦

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@OgreLeg are you using a paid account or free? The quality of answers for 4o are horrible for me now as well, on a paid account. They were great a few weeks ago and they got worse and worse.

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@satoshin Iā€™m on a paid account.

I was wondering if I was the only one that noticed the slip in quality but I see others have as well.

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Your unlikely to find any service which offers unlimited access to frontier models at a consumer-friendly price.

The fact is that every message exchanged results in some cost to the providerā€”not to mention the costs associated with developing the models to begin with.

A year and a half ago no one had any access to generative AI anywhere near this capable at any price and now people are complaining about the fact theyā€™re limited to 1 message every 135 seconds for $20/month.

@anon22939549 The price is fine, itā€™s the service thatā€™s getting shaky. A per message cap on paid users is just a big olā€™ middle finger. Especially with how the AI behaves currently conversation-wise.

ā€œA year and a half ago no one hadā€¦ā€ yes, yes and I shouldnā€™t be mad when I stub my toe because there are starving kids somewhere. I donā€™t mean to be rude, but thatā€™s simply irrelevant. Iā€™m talking about the fact that the service went from free to paid, ok cool, then went from great to good, good to okay, and now poses limits on me even if I pay. Thatā€™s the part where I feel taken advantage of.

If you canā€™t understand why it would upset so many users, I think itā€™s highly likely we just use it in different ways for different purposes. Using it as a coding assistant, for example, is less like having a master programmer and more like having a newbie intern. You will often be pointing out mistakes and correcting the AI. Sometimes it even responds in the wrong coding language like giving you a page of Python when youā€™re working in a strictly JavaScript environment. Like I said, a per-message cap feels like a big olā€™ middle finger. At least let me pay another 3 to 5 a month to get rid of it or something.

I also donā€™t sit there and use it every day. Sometimes I pay for a whole month and only need to use it one time that month, but hard and all in a 6 hour window. So many reasons this is lame.

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