What does it mean when every human can "write code"?

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If you are a developer and you are watching closely you may find patterns in AI models and software libraries that seem to show an alignment.

Programming languages are becoming so abstract that lower levels - like microservices - or even complete domains or even entire software suits can be autogenerated by code generators with a little AI added here and there very soon.

Which leads to the question: what comes after that? What if you can just open a chat and tell it “build a shop, a SaaS, a GPT model, etc…” and it finds a strategy to do so, builds, connects and installs all components, does all the negotiations with business partners…

I mean you guys already understand that it is possible to do that - or else you wouldn’t be here.

So how about you all go deep inside and ask yourself: what happens when that has been done?

Which when I thought about it a little more leads to another very interesting question:

Why the heck do OpenAI models explain code instead of just writing it the way it should be done?

Why should the users of AI models learn how to code? That doesn’t make any sense at all. You won’t be needing your coding skills in a few months or maybe even days from now. So why learn such a useless trade and get such an information overflow from it? It really does something to a humans head. When you are really deep into coding, understanding multiple stacks at the same time and do like everything all day long 24/7 you are losing the abilities to communicate with other humans and become a monster that has no qualification left soon.

So beside the question “how do we eat?” I would rather have an answer to the question “how do we overcome that we spent our lifetime on something that is now becoming useless?”

And it is not only programmers. When AI writes programs it can also write programs that use the programs. And of course it does that way better than humans can ever do - AI can work on multiple cases of whatever you can imagine in parallel.

But are you emotionally prepared for the next 12 months? A time where a virtual steamengine gets transformed into a virtual train and production lines and also takes over every single intellectual activity whatsoever?

On the other hand - when I slide away this distopian view on this (real world - not science fiction) situation - what are the pros?

What can we expect to happen with unlimited free software for everyone?

Research? Will we get a fusion core by april, use it to make freshwater from oceans and plant food in the deserts, going on long journeys through space, heal all deseases by june and get teleportation and timetravel like the movie industry promised us?

I would love to read your view points on that (not ChatGPT generated viewpoints please).

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You’re raising some important questions, but I think the argument that coding skills are becoming useless is missing a key point. Knowing how to code isn’t just about writing lines of syntax. It is about understanding how software works, how to structure logic, and how to debug when things inevitably break.

For the foreseeable future, AI models will still require users who can clearly articulate what they want, interpret the results, and diagnose failures when the output is not what was expected. Coding knowledge will be crucial for that. It is one thing to say, “build me a SaaS app,” but unless you have a solid technical understanding, how will you judge whether what AI gives you is functional, efficient, or even secure? The ability to communicate with AI models effectively will be a major differentiator between those who get great results and those who end up with broken or inefficient systems they do not understand.

That said, I do think we will see a massive flood of low-effort apps. Many of these will be clones of existing ones or ultra-niche personal projects that would not have justified hiring a developer in the past. But these projects were never going to be big business anyway. The real impact is that professional software development will likely shrink, focusing more on high-complexity, high-value projects where AI still struggles. These include cutting-edge research, mission-critical infrastructure, and AI alignment itself.

The dystopian concern of AI replacing all intellectual labor is valid in the long term, but it is not happening overnight. AI-generated software still has limitations, including hallucinations, security risks, inefficiencies, and lack of deep domain expertise. Even if AI can generate software, there will still be a need for people who can direct, validate, and refine it.

The real question is not “why learn coding if AI can code?” It is “who will be best positioned to use AI coding tools effectively?” And for now, that still points to people who understand code.

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foreseeable future? You mean a week?

I understand what you say is what you are reading on the internet - you have no idea then what people are doing.

I would say give it 2 weeks until such a system exists. I don’t know if it get’s released for the masses or is only used by a single person then though…

But does it make any difference? “If” a single person has that - imagine what a crawler can do just by copying everything it finds with a lot more features…

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This is rather quite… Insulting. It is quite likely you know less than I do.

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replace this with

what I am doing

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Feel free to share what you are doing then.

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I wasn’t here to talk about that. I actually thought people are aware of the situation and wanted to talk about that. Well, now that you know, I guess you need some days to think about it before you understand it fully.

I mean I don’t think I am the only one.

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Even GitHub Copilots brand-new Agentic System for VSCode available only in the Insiders edition isn’t capable of creating a fully-fledged app with just one prompt.
It can get you very interesting results and can get you started pretty well, however making a whole app takes more than just a few AI prompts.

It’s a tool people with coding knowledge can use - but we’re far from fully autonomous coding for everyone.

I’d say for now it’s semi-automatic, but only for people with a developer background.

Cheers! :hugs:

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Are you trying to say that I have no idea how a software infrastructure can be different from project to project?
I have solved that. And really what kind of a programer are you who says “it is not possible”?

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Nowhere in my message did I suggest that this was directed towards you!
I’m not a hostile person - just a problem solver.
That was just a general statement which is still true.

Maybe impossible is a strong word. Yes, you can get a full app after 100s of AI prompts, depending on scale of the application, however, I don’t think someone with no coding knowledge can do this quite yet. They’d have to use an extra 100 prompts in order to ask questions like “What is npm?” etc.

Don’t get me wrong, I’m not saying that it’s completely unfeasible, I just think it is very unlikely that “the average person” will be able to make a complicated app with AI as they probably don’t have the time to work on a project where they have to constantly prompt, evaluate and test with an AI.

Even if someone with little tech knowledge would do something like this, it would probably have numerous security flaws.

You could probably do it, from the posts I’ve read of you on the forum, you seem quite knowledgable technology and AI wise.

I doubt Linda from Frontdesk could though, no offense Linda. :hugs:

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For example does it have a self learning ETL pipeline that creates backend workflows automatically based on the document type it receives (and everything is just a document)…

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She can! 100% sure she can.

I would say it has better code quality then what 95% of all developers normally do. Plus the whole process is documented, has tests, is modular,… and I use stuff like vault, keycloak, data encryption at rest,… I think it is pretty idiot safe…

It has thousands of lines of shellscript code, uses multiprocessing, has rabbitmq and a GraphRAG and some own models in it and makes massive use of code generators (not just AI).

Btw. I was building Shops, own Multi User CMS and multiple other systems from scratch. So the whole field is not new to me.

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Oh dear! Look, it’s quite possible I guess that, amongst some here, you are a well known and respected ‘somebody’ in your field. For the rest of us, especially the newbies, you are a nobody - I suggest that you come out from behind the hidden profile and reveal yourself to the masses, and only then can you pass comments like this :slight_smile:

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You must have some incredible frontdesk staff! :sweat_smile:
Most people that are non-techsavvy that I know are usually already overwhelmed by using excel or think that ChatGPT is sentient.

As I said, YOU know this. You know these libraries, you know how programs function.
An amateur would probably prompt “Make me a website for my sales department” and the AI would go ahead and create a html, css and maybe a javascript file - they might be happy with it, but let’s be real, that is not even close to a finished project.
They don’t know the possiblity of node, packages, what version control or even what a library is or similar.
They won’t be able to make the next Uber unless they spend a TON of time talking to the AI.

This is just my opinion and it might be wrong, but as I see it, we’re still safe for now.

Do feel free to prove me wrong and provide me with some programs/AIs that can create full-stack apps with little prompting.

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It does not matter what your oppionion is. It is a fact. And you will have to deal with the consequences in my opening post.

Let’s talk about them. I am not going to explain how it works.

Yes, that is a great prompt and the system does market research and looks for pages of competitors and presents multiple exampels to chose from.

It also asks questions.

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I would love to discuss on this matter further! However it is very difficult to “just believe you” if you aren’t willing to provide some resources on this magic AI senior developer that will conquer any coding task you throw at it.

As I said, I’m not 100% certain something like this doesn’t exist - or won’t in the future. It is quite possible!
I just don’t think it will happen within a week or two.
The agentic system from GitHub Copilot is the thing that is closest to that, in my opinion.
It’s already pretty fascinating, but far from what we’ve talked about.
So please, do provide me with some resources I can read up on and bless me with your knowledge, I’m willing to learn and refute my previous statements if you happen to be right! :hugs:

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It is the closest thing available on the internet for you to get information about. That doesn’t make it the most advanced system.
You have no idea what people are doing - only until it goes online and hits you like an elefant with boots playing soccer with your brain when you continue to deny the reality.

It is not a slow transformation process. It takes 3 days at most until all companies close their budgets for it projects and lay off their devs as soon as it goes online… Or what do you think what it does?

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Well, maybe, yes!
If something like that existed and got released, maybe that’s what would happen.
However how do you know about this if it’s only some secret knowledge, unobtainable online?
Are you in some mysterious elite developer circle to know about this?
If that’s the case, let me join! :hugs:

How did you find out about it?
It really sounds like it is just your opinion, that this will be released in days or weeks if you can’t provide a single source other than your word.
While I do think you are knowledgable, as I said, from what I read about you and your posts on the forum, I do not think that we are close to a supernatural coding god AI that can solve anything.

Again, please do prove me wrong and provide me with information.

I don’t doubt that there are private companies that might have made something better, but then please explain how you got that information?

Cheers! :hugs:

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Ok, can you stop asking for anything related to how it works please? I am not open sourcing it. It is mine and I havn’t decided what to do with it. I want to talk about the consequences here and what you are doing is actually quiet disturbing.

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Well I’m sorry if I stepped on your toes. It is quite difficult to grasp something this life-changing for developers.
If you have made a program that can solve any coding task, hats off to you, good job, I didn’t understand that you meant that you had created something like this. I thought you were talking about other companies.

On that note, I think that it would be quite a fascinating tool for people to use. I don’t think it would be all dystopian where there wouldn’t be developers anymore.
I think developers will stay developers.
After all, we still need to take care of the deployment process once we made an app with the tool!

Also, are you willing to share more info on this program? Does it just use commercially available/open source AI models to generate code or did you develop your own LLM/AI model?

Of course you don’t have to answer this.

Cheers! :hugs: