Veteran Disability Claims, someone able to create one?

Im Looking to work with someone to Create a Disabled Veterans Chat GPt Plugin. to help with Claims, appeals, and Overall Resources

Do you have any idea what it really takes to make such? Think money, time, knowledge, not to mention legal reviews, authorized access, does an API exist, politics, etc.

I understand how it could take, But Understanding CFR’s isnt easy for Most Veterans. Image a Resource were Someone Could Put in there Issues and Direct them to the Part of the CFR that Cover those Issues. As well as access to Nation Archives to Verify service Records. Including historical Incidents, with Possibly reference nexus Letters.

Its not impossible.

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Understanding any government is not easy for most people.

I do seriously understand what you are seeking as I am a U.S. veteran myself but luckily do not need the services of the Veterans Administration.

Perhaps if you had a U.S. congressman or senator in your corner it would help. :us:

This isn’t for me it would be for Others im bless with 100% T&P, Also Retired. I Just Want to help Others using the Power of AI.

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That sounds a very good idea to help disabled veterans. But, based on your single sentence, an average joe wouldn’t be able to understand what tasks would be involved, what the pain points are in the current process, and how ChatGPT could possibly solve them.

A friendly suggestion: you should publish a paper or something on your website to describe the details of the project. If it is clear enough, you may even find volunteers to help you.

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I have no doubt we are both serious about this. You really do need someone at a high level in the U.S. government in your corner on this. One could spend lots of money, effort and time on such only to have a line or two placed into a law expected to pass and then all your work is for not.

Thank you Great Idea!! i will start on the Paper ASAP

Piggybacking off of @EricGT, while this is absolutely a good and wonderful use-case of the technology, it is absolutely a monumental undertaking.

At a minimum I would expect you would need at least 5–10 domain experts, 2–3 people adept at training large language models, a few hundred-thousand to a few million dollars, and six-months to a year to get to a serviceable alpha product.

There will come a time when there will exist a base model which you can feed all of the documents, rules and regulations, laws, etc for a particular domain and a fully-formed expert-AI will spring forth—but we’re not there yet.

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@elmstedt Thanks for your thoughtfulness. Please let the man @stevensanders352 write his paper first, will you?

As I said, there are a lot of very competent volunteers (domain experts, developers) around for a good cause or a good use case.

If that can be made technically functional, some politicians may have the wisdom to see its value.

https://developer.va.gov/

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I’d be happy to put some hours in to get initial ideas and milestones fleshed out.

@Foxabilo

Don’t you live across the pond?

Indeed, UK grown. Should not be an issue creating technical milestones and such, it seems like an interesting challenge.

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If for some oddity we both work on this it would be an honor to work with you.

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Thinking about this, whisper should be considered with this as this would be for use by disabled veterans.

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It would be an excellent application to demonstrate accessibility features like this, it’s a great use case for a range of services. I can also see this being a framework for a range of assistance and care systems in other sectors.

This is overkill. At least for the domain experts portion. Not sure what you are thinking the money would be used for and how much (training, developers, sme, etc). My brother is currently going through his veterans claims again. He met a guy at the VA that helps veterans get their maximum disability they are owed. Most of my family is in the military (definitely was never in my career sights). The guy is helping him, my step dad, and my grandpa get their full benefits. So I think you will only require 1-2 domain experts.

The hardest part is getting the VA to cooperate, but he pretty much has a standard play book he goes through. He only charges 100 bucks up front to investigate and see if there is anything there worth pursuing. If there is, once you start the paperwork, a clock starts ticking on how much you are owed by the VA. If the VA grants you extra benefits after everything is done, they have to pay you all the back pay since you started the paperwork. The guy who helps them takes 10% of the backpay only.

For the most part, it isn’t really about laws or intricate loopholes. It is mostly just finding a strategy to deal with the VA, percentages, and what counts as a disability. It seems that it’s the VAs job to stop you from getting your benefits, or they are just completely lazy and don’t give a shit. Either way, that and having someone there telling the vets it’s ok to admit they have PTSD or are disabled is the hurdle.

Well, you need domain experts in many domains beyond simply navigating the VA.

When you start doing anything which involves medical information then you need to worry about HIPAA which is it’s whole own thing. Then you’ll likely need some type of medical experts to ensure the model is correctly interpreting medical information.

Then there are questions as to whether or not there are any special regulatory hurdles involved when dealing with data from the federal government.

There’s a world of difference between a guy at the VA who charges $100 to help people out and building a service on top of OpenAI’s models.

To ensure you don’t get immediately shut down you’re going to want to guarantee all of the I’s are dotted and T’s are crossed—for that you’re going to need the appropriate domain experts.

The money is for paying experts, collecting and cleaning data, testing and validation of the model, ensuring compliance with all applicable regulations, paying developers and hosting costs, etc.

Because at some point the model will make a mistake and everyone associated with the project will get sued—that’s just the reality of doing business in the United States.

So, the domain experts and the money are so you can do everything right so you’re covered when something goes wrong.

Sorry elmstedt, I know you’re trying to help, its ok, but I don’t think you have enough experience in how the VA works to make any useful inferences of what an AI VA assistant looks like. Most of the time, you’re not taking a lawyer through the door with you and nobody else is filling out your paper work for you. Most of the time you’re asking for your own documents, and you are filling out forms. Any AI model that would be useful for 90% of the Vets who aren’t getting their proper benefits would be more like a website navigation assistant than a lawyer. (Not exactly, but pretty close.)

It’s literally just administrative paperwork to get you in front of the right doctors and staff to get the wheels turning. @stevensanders352 If you are serious about making a chatbot to help vets navigate the processes in the VA, I can get you in contact. I’m sure you will have to have “CYA” insurance at some point as elmstedt has pointed out if you decide to make a bot that fills out the paperwork. But the first and foremost thing that frustrates vets is they don’t know where to start and no one at the VA is willing to help. I suspect your first MVP will be something that just helps them through the process.

You’ll have to have some sort of programming experience or a team willing to help. The gentleman I mentioned is a 25 year vet himself and he pretty much only helps vets get through the process now days. So he wouldn’t have the experience to make a bot himself. But he is always looking to help vets in anyway possible and I’m sure he’d be happy to help.

You can get some actual real experience from him as opposed to random guesses. He’s helped tons of guys and can let you know what the low hanging fruit is, and what is going to require lawyer level expertise. Like I said, I’d say 90% of the vets don’t require legal advise, they just need help navigating it.

As someone with quite a bit of startup experience under my belt and 15 years of experience in industries ranging from space to AI, I’d say shoot for the larger market of aimless vets and then you can expand to harder more impactful things like legal claims when you have product market fit. The absolute last thing you want to do is spend a “few million dollars” and a year on an idea that ends up not being too great. (Believe me I’ve been there and it sucks.) So shoot for solving that low hanging fruit problem and I think you can get some traction and help a lot of people along the way.

Hit me up in a DM for his contact info. He is based here in Las Vegas.