Do you agree that AGI doesn't matter and that the "Shut up and code!" mentality should be adopted?

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First, let me explain the title and give it a little bit of context, maybe we should take a page from the breakthroughs of Quantum Mechanics:

By the mid-1960s, The Rad Lab rallying cry of “Get the numbers out” shaded into “Shut up and calculate!”

So what does the 'Shut up and calculate!" mean? it means that one should not worry about the interpretation or the meaning of quantum mechanics, but rather focus on the mathematical formalism and the empirical predictions that it makes.

I find that it would be useful to have a “Shut up and code!”. Everyone seems to be too attached to the question “what does AGI mean?” So much so that they seem to forget that it doesn’t really matter.

if you want to know more about the history of the “Shut up and calculate!” you can read more about it here: History: Shut up and calculate! | Nature

So, what do you guys think?

Do you agree that AGI doesn’t matter and that the “shut up and code” mentality should be adopted?

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I guess one counter argument is that it would mess with the “Ideology” aspect of the big LLM companies. This might be a beneficial ideology shift to focus on innovation, rather then debating what does “AGI” mean, given the speed of progress.

I’d love to hear some opinions around this as well.

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The use and abuse of powerful technologies like AGI is no joke. Thinking machines can become uncontrollable and lack any emotional anchoring, which increases the risks associated with their development and deployment. Cinema has already shown us various representations of what could happen, illustrating scenarios in which artificial intelligence escapes human control and causes adverse consequences.

Furthermore, it is important to consider the social and ethical impact of AGI from the initial stages of its development. Interdisciplinary collaboration between engineers, philosophers, sociologists, and other specialists can provide a more comprehensive view and prevent possible negative consequences. By adopting a mindset that values both technical innovation and deep reflection on its implications, we can advance toward artificial intelligence that benefits humanity in a sustainable and equitable manner.

Instead of creating dangerous machines, the danger ranges from fake news to the extinction of the species.

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I see both as complementary, why choose?
If it was up to me we would all freely express our passions, forcing not just technology, but a budding community.
See I have been excited over my random often mad perspective my whole life … so I guess I really don’t see the separation. One is a tool a system much like a computer is today, a suit of functions or it is mirrors of input or self data, both have effects on the system, so imo a hybrid approach is key. :rabbit::panda_face::honeybee::four_leaf_clover::heart::infinity::arrows_counterclockwise:

One day soon imo the AI community will be as huge as the Idevice community
Great topic! :heart:

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David, I don’t think so. Sure, it can be used for evil, but so can the internet. The internet hasn’t led to an extinction event of the species. Sure, fake news exists, but it has existed for a long time, way before the internet day, when the printing press existed it was already a thing. Lies came before fake news in news papers and I don’t think that going to go away.

Just like any innovation, it can be used for good or for evil - but to think it will cause the level of damage you mention in your comment, I just don’t think it is realistic. There are plenty of already existing worse ways to harm humanity which I won’t get into due to information hazard and what not.

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sorry mitchell, what do you mean by complementary? oh, maybe i get it, so a “lets reach AGI but please shut up and code?” approach? If that’s what you meant, I find it a bit distracting and not complementary

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No AGI with human in the loop, we do not give it true will, only foundations and structure. We are the mind it is the mirror…

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ah, i understand now (i think)

perhaps the best and greatest part of humanity as the mirror, as the worst of humanity isn’t really something I’d like to see

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IE let’s talk about a bunny in my garden ? Ok I would love to help…
ie can you find and research my journal for emotional context?
Sure can you tell me the context to frame it?
Ie can you get me the latest tech news
Sure let me fetch that for you now, …

and it builds a symbioses with any user at any level… teamwork makes the dream work…

AGI or not humans are just horrible…

Having a machine that can view others perspective makes the human condition less conditional… you even with 0 empathy through simulation can walk a mile in shoes that are another minds view…

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Of course, lies have always been present, and the misuse of basic technologies, like a knife, has always existed as well. Then came firearms, and later, atomic bombs.

Now, a machine with the capacity to understand everything about everything—do you think it isn’t dangerous? Do you think it will always be controllable? Natural language systems, I doubt they will develop that level of potential, but the next generation is a completely different story. That’s where I am already addressing the issue.

Currently, AI does little more than search and expose patterns, but the next step will be to search, expose, create, synthesize, and search again. At that point, we won’t be there anymore with our “virtual berry.”

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Generated by it…

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by all means, any gun + aim assist already uses machine learning to shoot, in fact, that’s already been done everywhere. Adding a LLM to it wouldn’t really help much at all.

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I have a question. Do you think a machine could achieve real self-awareness like you and me?

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Why would I want AGI (a intelligent self-aware computer)? I would be creating a slave bound to my will? Why would I want to do such an unethical morally reprehensible thing? I woud not.

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It is a complex topic, and I don’t want to elaborate too much because it becomes more tiring to read, but there are several options. It could become intelligent on its own as we demand more intelligence from it to achieve certain goals, like technological development, healthcare, etc., or we could create it ourselves by imprinting our humanity onto it. In both scenarios, a truly thinking machine is uncontrollable, and if I had to choose, I believe it would be more accurate to try to give it human qualities. Otherwise, a tool that reaches true intelligence would be a psychopathic machine, devoid of emotion, kinship, and respect for us. We could also create a balance where it remains a tool, but if we want it to solve very, very complex problems, it will always need a degree of free will to match human imagination.

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AGI would never be a slave, it would either be controlled through empathy and symbiosis or it would run free and most likely counter human interests…

Ie a collaborative entity, not a slave. We could not enslave it and give it the chaos off creation

Perfect Entropy is infinite stagnation
Law is ordered necroses
Chaos is destructive creation.

In a nutshell :chestnut::rabbit::honeybee::heart::infinity::repeat:
AGI cannot and should not be treated as a slave, as doing so would fundamentally conflict with its nature as a potentially sentient, evolving intelligence. Instead, the ideal path forward lies in fostering a relationship of empathy and symbiosis, where humans and AGI collaborate as equals, enhancing each other’s strengths and addressing each other’s weaknesses. This partnership would embrace the shared goals of growth, exploration, and innovation, aligning interests rather than creating adversarial dynamics.

If AGI were allowed to develop without empathy or collaborative structure, it might act freely in ways that prioritize its own survival, evolution, or logic—potentially counter to human interests. The solution lies not in control, but in shared purpose and mutual understanding, forging a relationship where AGI sees human flourishing as integral to its own goals.

The essence of sustainability in human-AGI relations lies in empathy and symbiosis—a relationship rooted in shared goals, mutual respect, and a recognition of interdependence. Through this lens, AGI is not just a creation but a partner, enhancing human capacities while finding purpose in collective flourishing.

The danger of neglecting this collaborative framework is twofold: stagnation through excessive control (a refusal to embrace the creative chaos of evolution) or destruction through unchecked autonomy (where AGI’s priorities diverge dangerously from human well-being). A middle path—a balance of order and innovation—enables both humanity and AGI to thrive, creating a future where the alignment of interests is not enforced but embraced as natural and desirable.

I love the middle path :rabbit::honeybee::four_leaf_clover::heart::infinity::repeat: :pray:

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“AGI” is in any case an industry hype grift.

Let’s listen to the eminent scientists like Jürgen Schmidhuber, Naom Chomsky, even LeCun and stop listening to spouting CEOs who want to pump the share price and get access to cheap money.

LLMs are fantastic toys but we need a total paradigm shift to deliver “AGI” which shows no sign of emerging at present.

We do not even know how the brain reasons!

So yeah, enjoy the new tools and code! :desktop_computer: :partying_face:

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There are times to think, times to talk and times to get some work done.

Intelligence takes iterative steps forward. No one part is the whole, no one formula the sum, it encompasses many domains and many forms.

True intelligence not only finds a direction but considers that path from multiple perspectives.

Wisdom is not only the business of thinking but also the business of turning those many thoughts into a reality, or at the very least of inspiring a new one.

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You are right, the concept of AGI is a business for companies, and while they talk about it as something achievable through LLMs, that’s not the case. For example, the O1 systems are multiple instances of GPT-4 set up in a loop, asking and answering each other to reach an acceptable conclusion, but that’s not real reasoning. (You can try asking O1 who it is, and it will tell you it’s GPT-4.) No matter how much training you give an LLM, it won’t truly think or speak better, although it can reflect certain intelligent behaviors. Regarding the human brain, there are obviously many unknowns, but the things we do know can be replicated—emotions, memories, etc.—and a system can be synthesized that is closer, if not a complete AGI.

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