Debating AI development course #beginner A1

AI development that doesn’t start with neural networks ):

What do you mean?

You think you build neural networks before you are able to write a crawler, be able to transform strings into new data structures or even know how to write a “hello world” example?

come on :rofl:

If you are a theoretical mathematician or a philosopher maybe. But someone has to engineer that stuff or else it will be only theory.

And even they need to understand what is possible or else they just speculate about a cartesian product of knowledge.

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I mean, yeah, AI development assumes they know the basics, it’s like wanting to learn react without knowing the basics in javascript, css, html, what a terminal is or what an IDE is.

also, if they know the basics, why waste your time instead of giving them this: https://www.w3schools.com/ai/default.asp

and if that is too advanced for them, just tell them to follow the python guide first:

https://www.w3schools.com/python/default.asp

In my opinion, both tutorials are way higher effort (and helpful) then whatever is going on here…

That’s how we did it back in 2022. Man times have changed - a lot! Are you really still writing code manually?
We are using coding techniques here - but we sure as hell won’t be writing code manually.
What next? learning how to put holes into punchcards? Or why not assembler?

You should follow the course as well.

I assume you have git and docker installed, right?

I mean the course literally says “AI development”

I’m sorry, I’m not wasting my time. Copy and pasting is not the same as learning.

why not just use the operator to open an online vscode then? and then tell it to code you a super cool machine learning algorithm and done? why even set up an ide? there’s tons of open source alternatives too if money is a problem

no code is great, but when the AI can’t fix a problem, are you just gonna wait until a better model is released? I don’t know man, seems like a great way to trick yourself that you are learning something

its not really a course if all you saying is “ask the AI to do stuff for you, its that easy!” which, by all means, it is, but learning and letting an AI do something for you are completely different things by my standards

anyways, for anyone new reading this, I’d suggest asking chatgpt whats the best way to do this instead of listening to some random blog post on the community

cheers mate

Counterpoint:

Are you really still writing how-to guides manually, which seek a very particular reader learning level?

We are using basic documentation techniques here. Why the hell would one be writing instructional learning courses - when a specialist adaptive programming tutor is a browser tab away?

:person_shrugging:

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I find it cute whoever is running all the alt accounts on this forum

super easy to see through it, maybe try harder?

What do you mean by that?

There are multiple aspects in coding. We are starting from the architectural aspect here.

Will be lot’s of no code e.g. n8n and data transformation.

And the whole thing is highly tight to creating a chat with longterm memory.

A context aware chat.

So I am talking about stuff like word clouds, topic extraction, etc.
It is not really needed to know how to write small functions that do that.

It is an abstract way of coding. And learning how to plug parts together is a valid entry point.

Especially because

that’s also a valid strategy. Build the whole abstract platform, implement the whole logic in natural language and then wait until the model can do that if you can’t prompt it yet.

I will show how to escape loops of the model as well - in case you can’t prompt it. I am not writing code for a pretty long time now - 2+ years and ~400 hours per month. I don’t know why you think you know it better than me.

I was coding for decades. How do you come to the conclusion that it doesn’t work?

I am literally doing it openly for you to follow!

Says the anon account… pffft

Because I like to write that. I don’t understand why I can’t do it just because an AI could do it as well. I am not earning on this. It is my hobby.

On top of that: we will be going through techniques that are ethically questionable. Also to showcase what ethics in AI really means.

Many people seem to confuse AI with capitalism and they fear that there is one person having an ASI controlling the entire planet - while that is something that already existed for ages - just a handful people have enough money and power to control the entire planet - and yes that is ethically questionable - but how the heck does this relate to AI.

Starting with how to use an IDE in an A1 level AI development course for beginners is not a bad choice for many learners.

Of course, those who already know how to use an IDE can skip this part, but there are also those who do not.

For those who want to learn the basics of neural networks, they may want to wait for a course on multilayer perceptrons and backpropagation.

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