In that case, the only real damage that I’ve seen so far is the mishandling of some public-facing statements that have addressed military use of this technology as if it were being used to implement AI systems that have already long been implemented.
That damage was done weeks ago, and codex users are still increasing…
Perhaps I view your outlook a bit pessimistic?
Humans tend to forget the hiccups when the service gets better in any domain…
The mass ‘exodus’ from OpenAi seemed to be mostly those who couldn’t handle the fact that their bot wouldn’t support their self-destructive tendencies and from what I understand about ML that’s much better for the model overall and in the long run…
But this is where I’m confused… if your issue is about rate limits being decreased when it was well-advertised that this period was only a promotional period, as the catalyst of no longer growing in the world…
Then I would suggest that you might not be considering the effects that the 3 million users currently using it will have on the world as they inevitably complete projects at higher and higher calibers.
Maybe I’m too optimistic… in that area…
But at the end of the day a large amount of the complaints I’ve read in this thread, not yours specifically… are a bunch of freeloading cry babies who are upset that the welfare ran out.
Those aren’t exactly high signal users if you understand me.
I’m not complaining about them cutting the weekly quota in half. The issue is the 5h limit. It breaks continuity. That is a huge problem for those of us with pipelines that have used codex for only one reason: because it can maintain continuity for long conversations.
The irony is post June I’ll be scaling and will be using usage based anyway. I shouldn’t care, right? Well, April is very bad timing for them because I am not ready for that during this incubation period. They are forcing me to replace Codex. If they delayed this for 3 months, they’d be enjoying a lot of revenue from its place in my pipeline as it scales. But, because they did it now, they are forcing me to optimize today. That’s likely not reversible. I won’t undo the optimization in June.
So, I’m not here to save myself. I’m here to try to give OpenAI a warning that they are causing too much friction way too soon in the hopes of increasing usage based and it will likely hurt them in the long-run. Once I replace Codex, I’ll never go back. I’ll already have a pipeline that no longer needs it and be optimized for lower cost. Today, for the first time, I already replaced Codex for most reviews. I need continuity during execution of an implementation plan above all, and today, I no longer have it from Codex.
On top of that, I have to make a decision on the annual renewal of the business count by next month.
Again, I was aiming my comment about the many, very slanted comments I sorta wish I hadn’t read.
I’m talking to you because you seem pretty reasonable and pragmatic, which are qualities I respect.
Generally, though, what are any of us to do? This isn’t like Burger King or the local cafe where we can leverage our business with any real meaningful impact….
I might not have the full picture of what’s going on, and I can only extrapolate from what reaches the public… but it seems like OpenAI is focusing on coding as its baseline, as being an open-armed chatbot proved to be very dangerous for litigation… (though little fault of their own in my opinion)
I understand the costs are gated differently. I can see that the codex models are very proficient at what they do compared to the general purpose that is public-facing…
But, I don’t have enough data points to make a certain, clear opinion on the pricing tiers for Codex…
I’d like us all to be successful… we live in an age where none of this was considered possible even a handful of years ago.
Maybe I’m too humble about it, maybe I’m a sucker… maybe I’m a fool…
I’m grateful for what this company has put into the world, and I am sorry about your workflow… I really do wish you the best, and generally things work out…
You seem like you’ve got that ‘get it done’ attitude that you need to survive the turbulence…
I’d rather not dive into the difference between data protection difference between a user and a business, but what I said is still there:
You can at anytime use a plus account to run Codex. Obviously if you feel comfortable running the data through a personal account, then it’s a great choice.
Probably for the best. These companies have changed direction and policies so much that any long-term commitment is probably going to be a bad time
I’m on the Plus plan. My Codex usage is about 60 prompts per day and 6m tokens a day. I use GPT-5.4/medium most of the time. I’ve hit a weekly limit once and a 5h limit once, I get pretty close to the weekly limit most weeks.
But I’m aware enough of the limits that I try not to have non-codebase-related conversations with Codex. If I want to dive deeper into why something works a certain way, I use ChatGPT instead, which is friction.
Something I’d like is for the “Usage” readout to be time relative. Seeing “48%. Resets on blah” is somewhat useful if I get my calculator out, but I really want to know if I’m on track to go over or under. I think something like “5% over budget” would be the sort of stat that’s confusing at first but after many peeks it would become just what you want to know.
