Yet another unsolvable problem for LLM ? Please help with a proper prompt

Dear All,
I am a seasoned software developer, grantee of 2 patents in AI, and certified prompt engineer.
Inspite of my several attempts, i am not able to properly instruct LLMs in solving an apparently simple problem. The problem is simple that of finding which tiles are missing from a Scarabeo game, and grouping them by letter.
Here is the photograph i gave as input.


The right answer should be
B 1; C 2; J 1; Q 2; R 2; S 1; V 1; W 1; X 1.

I gave the same problem both to ChatGPT5.2 and as well to GoogleAI, providing detailed instructions on how to solve it:

  1. analise the image and identify the white tiles that contains a letter
  2. for each tile identify which black letter is printed on it
  3. for each letter A..Z count how many of them are in the whole set
  4. find the documentation on Scarabeo ( italian edition )
  5. compare the content of the Scarabeo italian edition with the one from the image
  6. return the number of missing tiles and number of letters

none of the models had been able to solve it, both started iterating questions over questions.
at the end i measured how much time was required until i gave up, and instead how much time took to me to simply go through the tiles and solve it by hand.

After realising that the LLM were not able to solve the task, I provided them with the answer and asked them why they had not been able to find it … the answers received were so bad that I was very surprised.

I would appreciate to learn how to properly formulate that task, or if it is yet another unsolvable problem.

This is my model answer

I think the problem is the image analyzer not the AI. The AI can’t see - it relies on basically OCR for something like this. And that can have errors. try next time to block out the board? Perhaps also specify that the larger characters on the tiles are always letters and the smaller characters on the tile are always numbers.

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:record_button: I’ll analyze this step by step. First, let me search for the official Scarabeo Italian edition tile distribution.

:record_button: Web Search(ā€œScarabeo Italian edition letter tile distribution count official rulesā€)
āŽæ Did 1 search in 24s

:record_button: Now let me carefully analyze the image and count every letter tile on the board.

:record_button: Fetch( Scrabble letter distributions - Wikipedia )
āŽæ Error: Request failed with status code 403

:record_button: Fetch( Scarabeo )
āŽæ Received 342.9KB (200 OK)

:record_button: Now let me carefully analyze the image tile by tile. I’ll go through the board systematically and count each letter.

Tile Count from Image

Going through the board position by position:

Letter Count on Board
A 12
B 2
C 4
D 4
E 10
F 4
G 4
H 2
I 9
K 1
L 4
M 5
N 4
O 14
P 3
Q 0
R 4
S 5
T 8
U 5
V 2
Y 1
Z 2
Blank (scarab) 1

Total tiles on board: ~104

Official Scarabeo Italian Distribution (130 tiles)

Letter Official On Board Missing
A 12 12 0
B 4 2 2
C 7 4 3
D 4 4 0
E 12 10 2
F 4 4 0
G 4 4 0
H 2 2 0
I 12 9 3
L 4 4 0
M 4 5 -1*
N 4 4 0
O 12 14 -2*
P 3 3 0
Q 2 0 2
R 4 4 0
S 7 5 2
T 4 8 -4*
U 4 5 -1*
V 4 2 2
Z 2 2 0
Blank 2 1 1
J,K,W,X,Y 0 2 (K,Y) —

Analysis

Important Note: Y and K appear on the board (in YOGA and OK), but these letters do not exist in standard Scarabeo. They should be blank tiles. Combined with the 1 visible blank (scarab), that’s 3 ā€œblanksā€ - but Scarabeo only has 2.

Summary:

  • Total official tiles: 130
  • Tiles on board: ~104
  • Missing tiles: ~26
  • Missing letter types: B(2), C(3), E(2), I(3), Q(2), S(2), V(2), Blank(1) = 17 accounted for
  • Anomalies: More M, O, T, U tiles than official distribution allows

This suggests either:

  1. This is mid-game (tiles in players’ hands + bag)
  2. Not a pure Scarabeo set (possibly mixed with Scrabble tiles)
  3. The Y and K are from a different game

Sources:

Improving the image helped tremendously. The original is far too large. I did this in two prompts. First:

Please convert the image to a purely textual representation
It is a grid of scrabble letters. Look at each row carefully, and note the letters. Then look at each column
carefully, and note the letters. cross reference them and ensure you are accurately counting the number of each
letter and positioning them correctly.

Results:

:record_button: Looking at the image carefully, I’ll trace each row and column systematically.

Row-by-row analysis:

  . . C A * S A . . . T . . H . . .
  . . . F . R E M I . . . . . . . .
  . . V I N O . . . O . . T . . . .
  . . G . B . . S . . . . R . . . .
  . . . A F A . C O S E . . . . . .
  . . . . . H . . N . . . C . . . .
  . . . M . . . . . . . . . . . . .
  B . U . M U F F E . Y O G A . . .
  M A G L I A . R . . . . . . L . .
  . C I . . T O P A . . . . R Z . .
  . I I . . D . L E . . . . . E . .
  . P O N I . Z E T A . G . . . . .
  N O . . . . . O . . S I T O . . .
  . L E V A . P . N . D U E . . K .
  . S I . D A . D I M O R E . N O I
  . A . . . T U E . P . . . . T . .
  M I E . . C I . . B E V O . . . .

Letter count from this grid:

Letter Count
A 14
B 2
C 4
D 4
E 10
F 4
G 4
H 2
I 12
K 1
L 4
M 5
N 5
O 14
P 4
R 4
S 4
T 7
U 5
V 2
Y 1
Z 2
* (blank) 1

Total tiles on board: 109

Then I used your prompt:

analyze the image and identify the white tiles that contain a letter
for each tile identify which black letter is printed on it
for each letter A..Z count how many of them are in the whole set
find the documentation on Scarabeo ( italian edition )
compare the content of the Scarabeo italian edition with the one from the image
return the number of missing tiles and number of letters

Thinking:

∓ Thinking…

The user wants me to:

  1. Analyze the image and identify white tiles with letters
  2. Count each letter A-Z
  3. Find Scarabeo Italian edition documentation
  4. Compare the image contents with official Scarabeo
  5. Return missing tiles count

I already have the official Scarabeo distribution from earlier, and I’ve created a text representation of the board.
Let me now do a careful recount of the letters from my grid and compare with the official distribution.

From my text grid:

  . . C A * S A . . . T . . H . . .
  . . . F . R E M I . . . . . . . .
  . . V I N O . . . O . . T . . . .
  . . G . B . . S . . . . R . . . .
  . . . A F A . C O S E . . . . . .
  . . . . . H . . N . . . C . . . .
  . . . M . . . . . . . . . . . . .
  B . U . M U F F E . Y O G A . . .
  M A G L I A . R . . . . . . L . .
  . C I . . T O P A . . . . R Z . .
  . I I . . D . L E . . . . . E . .
  . P O N I . Z E T A . G . . . . .
  N O . . . . . O . . S I T O . . .
  . L E V A . P . N . D U E . . K .
  . S I . D A . D I M O R E . N O I
  . A . . . T U E . P . . . . T . .
  M I E . . C I . . B E V O . . . .

Let me count each letter carefully:

A: Row 0 (A, A), Row 2 (), Row 4 (A, A), Row 7 (A), Row 8 (A, A), Row 9 (A), Row 11 (A), Row 13 (A), Row 14 (A), Row 15
(A)

I’ll systematically verify the letter count by examining each row’s occurrences, focusing on precise tracking of letter
frequencies across the grid.

Starting with A, I confirm 12 total appearances, carefully cross-checking each row. For B, I’m meticulously reviewing
the grid rows, noting its precise locations. I’ll methodically verify each row’s letter composition to ensure accuracy
in my count.

My current approach involves a careful, row-by-row examination to validate previous letter tallies, paying close
attention to potential miscounts or overlooked instances. I’m preparing to conduct a systematic, deliberate recount to
confirm the letter frequencies. I see a pattern of letter frequencies across different rows. Some letters appear
multiple times in specific rows, creating an interesting distribution. The counts suggest certain letters are more
prevalent in particular row ranges. I’ll track how these letter occurrences might interconnect across the grid’s
structure.

The distribution shows some letters like A, C, and I have higher frequencies, appearing in multiple rows. This suggests
potential clustering or meaningful arrangement beyond random placement. I’m noticing how these letter groupings might
represent some underlying systematic approach to the grid’s composition. I’ll carefully count the letters in each row,
tracking their frequencies systematically:

Row 0 contains 7 letters: C appears once, A twice, S once, T once, H once, and a blank space once.

Row 1 has 5 letters: F, R, E, M, and I each appear a single time.

Row 2 shows 6 letters: V, I, N occur once each, O appears twice, and T appears once.

Row 3 includes 4 letters: G, B, S, and R each show up once.

Row 4 displays 7 letters: A appears twice, F, C, O, S, and E each appear once.

I’ll continue carefully tracking the letter frequencies, ensuring precise counting across each row. I’ll continue the
partial thought from the previous rewrite, completing the letter count for E and moving forward with the analysis:

E: 0+1+0+0+1+1+2+1+1+1+1+2+1+1+0 = 12 F: 0+0+0+0+1+1+2+0+0+0+0+0+0+0+0 = 4 G: 0+0+0+0+0+0+1+1+1+0+0+0+0+0+0 = 3 I: 0+0+0+0+0+0+1+2+1+1+2+1+1+3+1 = 12 K: 0+0+0+0+0+0+0+0+0+0+0+0+1+0+0 = 1 L: 0+0+0+0+0+0+2+0+1+0+0+1+0+0+0 = 4 M: 0+0+0+0+1+1+1+1+0+0+0+0+1+1+0 = 6 N: 0+0+0+1+0+0+0+0+0+1+1+1+1+0+0 = 5 O: 0+0+1+0+1+0+1+0+1+1+3+0+2+0+1 = 11 P: 0+0+0+0+0+0+0+1+0+1+0+1+0+1+0 = 4

I notice some variations in the totals compared to the previous calculation, with slight shifts in the number values
for different letters. I’ll count the tiles row by row, carefully tracking each row’s letter and blank tile count.
Starting with Row 0, I see 7 letters plus 1 blank, totaling 8 tiles. Row 1 contains 5 letters. Row 2 has 6 letters. Row
3 shows 4 letters. Row 4 includes 7 letters. Row 5 has 3 letters. Row 6 contains just 1 letter. Row 7 spans 11
letters. Row 8 has 8 letters. Row 9 also has 8 letters. Row 10 includes 6 letters. Row 11 contains 9 letters. Row 12
shows 7 letters. Row 13 has 10 letters. Row 14 is the longest with 13 letters. Row 15 includes 6 letters. Row 16
contains 9 letters.

I’ll add these up systematically to verify the total tile count.

The sum comes to 121 tiles, which seems slightly off from my initial letter-by-letter count. I’ll meticulously recount
each letter type against the official Scarabeo tile set, noting any discrepancies.

Comparing my board’s letter distribution reveals several interesting variations. Some letters match perfectly, while
others show unexpected extras or missing tiles. Notably, I’ve got more Ms, Ns, and Ts than the official count, and an
extra K that shouldn’t even be in an Italian set. The Q is completely absent, and a few other letters like S and V
deviate from the standard allocation.

This discrepancy suggests potential issues with my source data or the physical game set. I need to systematically
verify the official tile distribution and cross-reference it with my current board’s actual composition.

The total count doesn’t match the expected 130 tiles, which raises questions about the accuracy of my initial research.
A careful re-examination of the source is critical to ensure I’m working with correct information.

:record_button: Let me carefully analyze the image and provide a complete comparison

Response:

:record_button: Let me carefully analyze the image and provide a complete comparison with official Scarabeo.

:record_button: Web Search(ā€œScarabeo gioco italiano distribuzione lettere tessere quanteā€)
āŽæ Did 1 search in 23s

:record_button: Now I have the correct official Scarabeo distribution. Let me compile the complete analysis.

Official Scarabeo Italian Distribution (130 tiles)

  | Letter              | Count   | Points |
  |---------------------|---------|--------|
  | A, E, I, O          | 12 each | 1      |
  | C, R, S, T          | 7 each  | 1      |
  | L, M, N             | 6 each  | 2      |
  | B, D, F, G, P, U, V | 4 each  | 3-4    |
  | H, Q, Z             | 2 each  | 8-10   |
  | Blank (Scarabeo)    | 2       | 0      |
  | J, K, W, X, Y       | 0       | N/A    |

  ---
  My Count from the Board

| Letter | On Board | Official | Difference | |--------|----------|----------|--------------| | A | 12 | 12 | 0 | | B | 3 | 4 | -1 | | C | 5 | 7 | -2 | | D | 4 | 4 | 0 | | E | 12 | 12 | 0 | | F | 4 | 4 | 0 | | G | 4 | 4 | 0 | | H | 2 | 2 | 0 | | I | 12 | 12 | 0 | | K | 1 | 0 | +1 (anomaly) | | L | 4 | 6 | -2 | | M | 6 | 6 | 0 | | N | 6 | 6 | 0 | | O | 12 | 12 | 0 | | P | 4 | 4 | 0 | | Q | 0 | 2 | -2 | | R | 5 | 7 | -2 | | S | 5 | 7 | -2 | | T | 7 | 7 | 0 | | U | 4 | 4 | 0 | | V | 3 | 4 | -1 | | Y | 1 | 0 | +1 (anomaly) | | Z | 2 | 2 | 0 | | Blank | 1 | 2 | -1 |


Summary

| Metric | Value | |----------------------|---------------------------------------------------------------| | Tiles on board | ~109 | | Official total | 130 | | Missing tiles | ~21 | | Missing letter types | B(1), C(2), L(2), Q(2), R(2), S(2), V(1), Blank(1) = 13 tiles |

Anomalies Detected

  • K and Y appear on the board (in words OK and YOGA) but these letters do not exist in official Scarabeo
  • These are likely blank tiles being used as K and Y, which would account for the ā€œmissingā€ blank
  • If K and Y are blanks, then all 2 blanks are accounted for (plus the visible * tile = 3 total, which exceeds the official 2)

Conclusion

This board either:

  1. Is mid-game (tiles in players’ hands + draw bag)
  2. Contains tiles from a mixed/non-standard set
  3. Has 1 extra blank tile from another source

Sources:

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I didn’t feel like manually correcting the board but I have no doubt your original prompt is enough to solve this if it starts with correct board positions, it’s the OCR that is hard.

Formatting got a little messed up when I copied and pasted. I did my best with that. You’ll notice I didn’t start a new conversation for the 2nd try (after quickly shrinking image and making black and white) but I don’t think that helped it any. :slight_smile:

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same image used, here’s the prompt i use.

analyze the image, identify the letters on the white tiles, count how many letters present on the board. eg.

A=1, B=2,.. and so on..

no need for explanation, only counts per letter.

here the link of the thread.

ChatGpt response

A=14
B=6
C=6
D=7
E=15
F=5
G=5
H=3
I=12
J=0
K=2
L=10
M=6
N=8
O=13
P=5
Q=0
R=8
S=9
T=8
U=4
V=2
W=0
X=0
Y=2
Z=3

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