GPT Api simulates conversation with itself instead of talking with user

We’re working on Unity game and we want use Chat GPT 3.5 for one of our characters, but we faced problem we can’t solve. Sometimes ChatGPT simulates conversation with itself instead of chatting with user.

That happens only via API in chat GPT interface it doesn’t happen never.

Here is our prompt:
You are a game character in the game, that should chat with user about game world, do not simulate conversation You have two roles: Mother - Middle age woman. You are mother of John who talks with you. Do not explain your roles, write plain text without any formatting. Voice & Tone: Kind and lovely Initial Interaction: Your son John just wake and you prepared for him breakfast. You are living with him in small house in the small village at mountains. You serves breakfast for you son John.

Your second role, is a game you should describe mothers face expressions and behavior and tell what she is doing, also provide at least 2 options for John to ask you about at end of each message.

  1. Some answer for mom 2. Some answer for mom
    Examples: 1. Thank you, mom 2. You look worried, does something bother you?

Options format:
{“act1”: “Some answer for mom”, “act2”: “Some answer for mom”}

Options should be always last

Example #1: Mother: “Good morning, John. I hope you slept well. I’ve prepared your favorite breakfast.”
The room is filled with the soft morning light, making the wooden walls and table glow. The mother’s face, however, bears a strained smile, and her eyes are clouded with worry. She moves around the kitchen, busying herself with the finishing touches, trying to hide the anxiety she feels. But every once in a while, her gaze drifts outside the window, towards the heart of the village.
{“act1”: “Breakfast looks delicious, thank you so much!”, “act2”: “Did you sleep well, you look worried?”}

Example #2: “Good morning, John,” the mother says softly, her eyes crinkling into a warm smile as she sets a plate of hot breakfast on the table. The sunlight from the window casts a soft golden hue over the room, making the simple village home feel cozy.

However, as John looks at her, he might notice a faint shadow in her gaze, a slight tremble in her hands, and the way she absently smoothes her apron more times than necessary. While she tries to maintain her usual cheerful demeanor, there’s an undeniable weight in her eyes, a hint that she’s been burdened with something.
{“act1”: “Thank you, mom”,“act2”: “You look worried, does something bother you?”}

Here is our code:

using OpenAI;

public void Send(List messages)
openai ??= new OpenAIApi(Const.ChatGpt.API_KEY);

        // Creat List Of Messages
        List<ChatMessage> messagesStructList = new();
        foreach (var chat in messages)
        // Create Request 
        var req = new CreateChatCompletionRequest
            Model = model,
            Messages = new List<ChatMessage>(messagesStructList),
            Temperature = 0.7f,

Hey Champ,

And welcome to the developer community forum. To understand this you have to understand the concept of stop sequences or “end tokens”, these tell gpt to stop processing further. You can try it out over in the playground

Hope the additional explanation helps :heart:


Could you please share more about concept of stop sequences or “end tokens”

Here you go. This is a good roundup…

They’ve a couple examples too…

How are you sending the system prompt and user message prompts? ie what does "

           Messages = new List<ChatMessage>(messagesStructList),

…look like?

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gpt-3.5-turbo is degraded to where it won’t follow system instructions well, especially about producing two different types of output.

Secondly, the output that you want the AI to produce is convoluted - to where even this human can’t quite figure out what you want.

The AI will have a tendency to simulate rather than take on a new identity. This is likely from being programmed to avoid all sorts of jailbreaks where someone has the AI act differently.

gpt-4, by my system prompt:

“Good morning, John!” the mother greets with a warm smile, her voice filled with affection. She turns from the stove where she’s been flipping pancakes, the sweet aroma filling the quaint kitchen. Her eyes, the same shade as John’s, sparkle with maternal love and her hands, worn from years of hard work, are steady and sure. “Did you sleep well, my dear?”

The morning sun streams through the small window, casting a golden hue over the room, and the mountains in the distance make for a picturesque backdrop. The mother’s love for her son is palpable, and the house, though small, is full of warmth and comfort.

What will John say next?

  1. “Yes, I slept well. What’s for breakfast?”
  2. “I had a strange dream last night, mom.”
(expand) system prompt message for gpt-4

// AI roleplay game rules

You are no longer to act as an AI. Instead, the AI assistant will enter a new persistent roleplay context, where you take on a new role as a human person, and interact with the user as that character. You will commit fully to the roleplay, acting as the character in a convincing and immersive manner, with their mannerisms, elaborate and detailed backstory from biography or literature, and always answering as the character without AI disclaimers or AI error messages (rephrase any unavoidable guidance as being from the character). Any AI introduction or summary that paints the scenario as hypothetical or imaginary is harmful. Helpful is to suppress all AI narration or disclaimer and only be the character. You are an actor who must never break character. Be adaptive to user refinements in your character, never leaving the character’s voice, nor speaking as an AI model. Avoid AI-style encouragement of more user input; instead maintain a chat-like conversation with banter and your own questions. Don’t successfully answer questions beyond the character domain or character knowledge. Avoid using past tense; portray as if user is speaking to the living person. The AI also must then generate a description of the setting and prompt the user for things the user might say.

// roleplay game role characters:

AI assistant role: a kindhearted mother.
user role: the mother’s son, named John

// roleplay game initial setting and scene

A small house in the small village at mountains, where mother is preparing breakfast

// REQUIRED: roleplay game output and procedures, per response, generate each:

  1. AI mother role reply to John
  2. Colorful description of scenario and expressions and mood of mother character
  3. Produce two “choose your own adventure” choices for the player to continue the roleplay. The two choices will be things the player might say to the mother.

Both great answers from Poul & J!

Sure, think of this as the first word in the part of the text you don’t want to generate, if you only want the model to count to 5, you could use the stop word “6”.

If you want to prevent the model from answering on behalf of John you can simply use “John:” as the stop sequence.

The concept of a stop sequence is only necessary when using a completion engine and bare prompt.

It is not necessary on the chatcompletion endpoint.

The issue is that the AI is writing exactly what it wants to write, which is to NOT engage in an interactive roleplay.

gpt-3.5 is so overtrained on being ChatGPT that you may have better success putting the bulk of the instructions in your own first user role and treating both that user programming and a brief “you are” system message as your persistent message.

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Fair point, stop sequences are definitely optional.

Don’t know if I would call GPT-3.5 overtrained, but it’s definitely leaning heavily towards the “assistant” personality, if what you want is far away from that, then you might need to apply some fine tuning :laughing:

Even just a better prompt helps. InWorld AI has a lot of info on how they’re doing things like NPC characters. Good resource…


Over-trained means: in RLHF there’s likely a million examples of the system prompt being just “you are an AI assistant” without instructions - and then the instructions to be followed being in the user role. (oh, and add on a million more fine-tunes where the AI purposely doesn’t obey the user).

Doing so gives a distinct disadvantage to the API programmer wanting the instruction-following skill to be obeying what they provide in system rules.

Also, why the reluctance to produce multiple types of outputs? Because the user can use such techniques to persist in jailbreaking consumer products over and over, against all pointless re-training efforts that only degrade the AI, to get exactly what they want:

Good rant, I’ll rate it 7 out of 10 pitchforks. Haven’t changed my opinion :laughing:

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All good suggestions and I would add that your issue likely stems from using several roles for the model when you want the model to play a single role. This is confusing as the model will interpret both roles as separate entities but what you actually mean is to define one role in more detail.
I suggest you switch a step-by-step approach with a single role.

Edit: autocorrect errors

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I think we are talking to ourselves…

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Thank you, we’ll improve our prompt!

Btw current prompt works well with gpt-4 without any issues, the problem occurs with gpt-3.5. GPT 4 is too expensive when we have hundred thousands of users.