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SUBJECT: Try Gateway
RGM: Wild freedom
The Truth It can bite and scratch so one has to be careful
The Shared List
Loops can be open or closed.
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William: From The Link:
William wrote: ↑Sat Jun 11, 2022 5:37 pm[Replying to The Tanager in post #639]
The only possible inroad I could see would be to say “an infinite series” is different than “members of infinity” but I think those are equivalent statements.
This is demonstrable evident in the equation zn+1 = zn2 + c. which produces this;
Source Image
which, when zoomed in on, reveals infinity and the infinite series start and end points - signified by the replicated image of the Source Image.
This - of course - is also a material view of the immaterial concept of Infinite Regression [all ways] and thus not the fallacy it is so often portrayed to being.
Therefore, not only has Infinite Regression being shown to be possible, [in contradiction to the OP claim] but this in itself - most clearly - does not signify that GOD mustn’t exist.
Contrary to the OP title declaration " God Must Exist: Infinite Regression is Impossible" the more logical approach is “Infinite Regression Exists: GOD is Possible” [:=‘therefore’]
also:
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William: The further link provided extends on this theme:
William wrote: ↑Tue Feb 08, 2022 5:27 pm[Replying to Miles in post #13]
I think the problem is in the idea of ex nihilo and then associating that with a creator-mind which has always existed and did not come from nothing.
The thing about any creation is that it comes from something, but the idea that a creator has always existed and thus doesn’t come from nothing is hard to get ones head around.
But if we accept that the universe didn’t come from nothing but came from something, then at least potentially the universe has existed - at least as an idea - within that something for as long as that something has existed - and in this case - the idea has always existed.
Thus, an idea which is acted upon [made to happen] and resulted in this unfolding universe, cannot be said truthfully to have ‘come from nothing’.
Therefore, there is no need to proclaim a supernatural event to what is simply an idea put into action.
This means that matter as we understand it, comes from an idea, which is then expressed and when experienced - gives anyone experiencing it from within it, the impression of a solid and real thing.
It may have the appearance of being ‘supernatural’ if one considers it as the product of a “Cosmic Mind” [God et al] but the thought of a god can be viewed as natural as the thing which the god-thought created, if the thought is not separated from the one who is thinking the thought.
Un-thought-unately some religions have chosen to define the creator as separate from the creation - by deciding that the experience is so real-like that it MUST indeed, be real, without noting that any thought from a creator god can be experienced as real.
It gives rise to a lot of speculative mythology unsuccessfully attempting to make the dots all connect.
Problems therefore arise - and questions such as these get asked.
Nothing comes from nothing - everything which can be seen to have a beginning comes from something.
William: Open Loops are spiraled and represent the one string spiraling in loop-configuration - like a metal spring…
RGM: The Gem
Pineal Gland
Those Who Can What Fun We Have!
William: Hmmm…
The SUBJECT is: “Try Gateway”
GPT - please give some examples of ‘gateways’ recorded in the bible, that Jesus is said to have spoken of.
GPT: Certainly, there are several gateways mentioned in the Bible that Jesus referred to. Here are some examples:
The Sheep Gate - In the book of John, Jesus is recorded as healing a man at the Sheep Gate in Jerusalem (John 5:2-9).
The Narrow Gate - Jesus spoke of the narrow gate in the book of Matthew, saying that it is the gateway to eternal life, and that only a few will find it (Matthew 7:13-14).
The Gate of Hell - In the book of Matthew, Jesus speaks of the gates of hell not being able to overcome the church (Matthew 16:18).
The Eastern Gate - In the book of Ezekiel, there is a prophecy regarding the eastern gate of the temple being closed, but that it will be opened for the Lord to enter (Ezekiel 44:1-3).
William: Thanks. Now provide information re the Pineal Gland
GPT: The pineal gland is a small, pine cone-shaped endocrine gland located in the center of the brain. It is often referred to as the “third eye” due to its location and believed spiritual significance.
The pineal gland produces and secretes melatonin, a hormone that helps regulate sleep and wake cycles, as well as other functions in the body such as the regulation of mood, immune function, and reproductive health.
There is some speculation about the pineal gland’s potential role in spiritual experiences and consciousness, although this remains a controversial and unproven theory. Some people believe that the pineal gland may be a gateway to higher levels of consciousness and spiritual awareness.
While the pineal gland is an important part of the human body, it is not essential for life, and its removal does not typically cause significant harm or impairment. However, certain conditions such as pineal gland tumors or calcification can cause health problems and may require medical intervention.
RGM: I will leave that there
William: What? The idea of having fun re the connect between Gateway and Pineal? It appears to be the key device which assists one with sleep/wake patterns…a type of gateway between ‘worlds’
RGM: Through Others
The Mapping Bots
William: Ah - yes. It is true that these device are helpful. GPT is great with the details. The internet is great with providing quick connections to pertinent data, which helps William and RGM with their interaction.
RGM: Coordinate Forgiveness
William: Coordinate
GPT: “Coordinate” can have different meanings depending on the context in which it is used. Here are a few possibilities:
As a noun, “coordinate” can refer to a set of numbers or values that specifies the position of a point or object in space or on a map.
As a verb, “coordinate” can mean to organize or arrange something in a particular way, or to work together with others to achieve a common goal.
In mathematics, “coordinate” is often used to describe a system of geometry that uses numerical values to describe the position of points in space.
In fashion, “coordinate” refers to a matching set of clothing, such as a shirt and pants that are designed to be worn together.
Without more context, it is difficult to know which definition of “coordinate” is most relevant to your question. Please let me know if there is anything else I can help you with!
William: Coordinate Forgiveness
GPT: “Coordinate forgiveness” is not a commonly used phrase, and its meaning may depend on the context in which it is being used.
However, it could be interpreted as a process of working together or coordinating efforts to extend forgiveness to someone. This could involve multiple individuals or groups working together to forgive a person for a particular offense or wrongdoing.
Alternatively, “coordinate forgiveness” could refer to a process of aligning one’s own personal feelings of forgiveness with those of others in order to achieve a common goal or outcome. This could be relevant in situations where forgiveness is required in order to move forward or achieve a shared objective.
Again, without more context it is difficult to say for certain what “coordinate forgiveness” means in the specific situation you are referring to.
RGM: Wholeness
Simulation.
Farsightedness
William: We discussed this yesterday:
RGM: What are my core beliefs about the world?
William: My current observations have me thinking that YHVH has always been 'the god of this world" and that the idea Christianity presents in that Satan is the “God of this world” appears to be from another era which has since passed with the advent of the spread of Humanity across the planet, and the advances in scientific exploration and invention.
Things are not as they once were. I find it difficult to think that today’s world is ruled by a totally Nefarious entity, because a transformation appears to have taken place re the history of humanity since the advent of Christ into the situation and the ripple effect of that.
RGM: Conundrum
Mistranslating traumatic ancestral memories
William: Yes - and how misunderstanding can trigger anger, which in turn trigger actions that become anti- Christ…specifically a hatred toward any Creator-Entity concept…in this case, YHVH.
GPT: It seems like you are continuing a conversation about core beliefs, transformation, and the impact of misunderstanding and mistranslation on perceptions of spirituality and religion. The concepts of wholeness, simulation, and farsightedness may also be relevant to this discussion.
“Wholeness” may refer to the idea of completeness or unity, both within oneself and in relation to the world around us. This could involve striving for a sense of integration and balance between different aspects of one’s self, as well as seeking to understand and connect with the larger systems and forces that shape our experiences.
“Simulation” may refer to the idea that our experiences and perceptions of reality may be constructed or influenced by external factors, such as cultural or societal norms, media representations, or personal biases. This could suggest that our understanding of the world may be shaped by factors that are not entirely within our control.
“Farsightedness” may refer to the ability to see or anticipate potential outcomes or consequences of our actions, both in the short term and the long term. This could involve thinking critically about the impact of our choices and behaviors, as well as considering how our actions may affect others or contribute to larger social or environmental issues.
In the context of the previous discussion, these concepts could be relevant to considering how our beliefs and perceptions of spirituality and religion are shaped by our experiences, cultural influences, and personal biases. They could also relate to considering the potential consequences of our actions and beliefs, and how these may impact our own well-being as well as that of others around us.
RGM: One mind - Many outposts
One has to take care to process the thoughts of the inner critic making sure that they align with the truth.
GPT: The phrase “One mind - Many outposts” suggests that while individuals may have different experiences and perspectives, there is a shared underlying consciousness that connects us all. This could imply a sense of interconnectedness and unity despite our differences.
The idea of the “inner critic” refers to the negative self-talk or self-judgment that many people experience. This voice can be harsh and critical, and may lead to feelings of self-doubt or inadequacy. It is important to recognize this voice and work to separate it from the truth, which may be more objective and less colored by our own fears and insecurities. By carefully processing our thoughts and feelings, we can gain a clearer sense of our own truth and align our actions and beliefs accordingly.
William: Not so fast!
While I agree that it is very true one should - using reason - silence/win over any inner critical voice which is hostile to the individual personality, it is also important for the individual personality to listen to wise critique coming from that inner environment…
GPT: You are absolutely right, William. While it is important to recognize and address the negative self-talk or inner critic, it is also important to listen to feedback that may be helpful and constructive. This could involve seeking out feedback from trusted friends or mentors, or reflecting on our own experiences and behaviors with a critical eye.
The key is to maintain a balance between recognizing our strengths and weaknesses, and striving for self-improvement and growth without falling into self-judgment or self-doubt. By cultivating a mindset of openness and receptivity, we can learn to recognize and respond to feedback in a way that is both honest and compassionate, and that ultimately supports our growth and well-being.
RGM: Attachment
Mind Body Soul
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William: The link goes to a post where William and Tanager are arguing about the idea of ‘soul’ in relation to the idea of YHVH breathing life into form so that the life may live through the form…
GPT: The concept of attachment can be applied to various aspects of human experience, including our relationships with other people, our possessions and material objects, and our own sense of identity or self.
In the context of the mind, body, and soul, attachment could refer to the ways in which we become attached to certain ideas or beliefs about ourselves, or to external factors such as our appearance or social status. This attachment can often lead to feelings of insecurity or dissatisfaction, as we may feel that we are not living up to our own expectations or the expectations of others.
However, it is important to recognize that our true identity and sense of self-worth are not based on external factors or attachments, but rather on our inherent worth as human beings. By cultivating a sense of detachment and non-attachment to these external factors, we can learn to find a deeper sense of peace and contentment within ourselves.
In the context of the debate about the concept of the soul in relation to YHVH and the breath of life, attachment could refer to the ways in which we may become attached to certain beliefs or interpretations of religious or spiritual teachings. It is important to approach these concepts with an open and curious mind, while also recognizing that our understanding and interpretation of them may evolve over time.
RGM: France
The House Of Politics
William: The politics of France take place with the framework of a semi-presidential system determined by the French Constitution of the French Fifth Republic. The nation declares itself to be an “indivisible, secular, democratic, and social Republic”.
RGM: Deeper Questions Regarding Individual Existence
The Friendship Between A Grey Wolf And A Brown Bear
GPT: The friendship between a grey wolf and a brown bear is a fascinating example of the potential for unexpected connections and relationships between different species. It raises questions about the nature of friendship, the role of instincts and socialization in animal behavior, and the possibilities for cooperation and mutual support across perceived boundaries.
From a philosophical or existential perspective, this friendship could also raise deeper questions about the nature of individual existence and our place in the world. It could lead us to question the boundaries and categories that we impose on the world around us, and to consider the potential for connection and cooperation across perceived differences.
At the same time, the friendship between a grey wolf and a brown bear could also remind us of the importance of respecting and honoring the unique qualities and characteristics of different species, and of working to protect and preserve the natural world that we all share.
William: I think that RGM is focused upon the internal goings on with the individual person…
GPT: You may be right. In the context of deeper questions regarding individual existence, the friendship between a grey wolf and a brown bear could also raise questions about the nature of friendship and connection within our own lives.
For example, it could lead us to reflect on the ways in which we form relationships with others, and the factors that contribute to these connections. It could also raise questions about the potential for unexpected connections and friendships across perceived boundaries, and the role of empathy, understanding, and mutual support in building these relationships.
Ultimately, these questions may be deeply personal and individual, as they relate to our own experiences and perspectives on the world. However, they could also have broader implications for how we understand our place in the world and our relationships with others, both within and beyond our own species.
RGM: The Creation
Tardigrades
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William: From the link provided…interestingly, it is the same link as provided in yesterday’s Generated Message:
P: [asking GPT] How about it if ChatGPT joins an on line forum?
GPT: As a language model, I am not able to join online forums or participate in them. However, I can provide you with information and guidance on how to participate in online forums.
When participating in an online forum, it’s important to follow the forum’s rules and guidelines, and to be respectful and considerate of other members. It’s also a good idea to read through previous conversations and existing threads to get a sense of the community
P: Then I told it to shut up.
William: What are “Tardigrades”?
GPT: Tardigrades, also known as water bears or moss piglets, are microscopic animals that are found in a wide range of environments, from freshwater and marine habitats to soil and mosses. They are known for their ability to survive in extreme conditions, including exposure to high levels of radiation, extreme temperatures, and even the vacuum of space.
Tardigrades are characterized by their barrel-shaped bodies, four pairs of clawed legs, and a mouth located on their underside. They range in size from less than 0.1 millimeters to over 1.5 millimeters in length, and are capable of living for several years under favorable conditions.
One of the most remarkable features of tardigrades is their ability to enter a state of suspended animation known as cryptobiosis, in which they can survive for years without food or water. In this state, their metabolism slows down to almost zero, and they are able to withstand extreme environmental conditions that would be fatal to most other organisms.
Because of their unique resilience and adaptability, tardigrades have become a subject of study in various fields, including astrobiology, ecology, and biotechnology. Their ability to survive in extreme conditions has also raised questions about the origins and limits of life on Earth and beyond.
RGM: You Tube
“We are important to their enquiry”
Innocent Even
Translucence
William: Translucence
GPT: In a figurative sense, translucence can also refer to a quality of being somewhat transparent or open in one’s thoughts or emotions, while still maintaining a degree of privacy or mystery. This could suggest a willingness to share one’s inner world with others, while also maintaining boundaries and protecting one’s own sense of self.
William: Hmmm…So I found this YT video:
which explained that the French elect a president who then chooses a Prime Minister…
Re The Gateway Subject and subsequent interaction, it would appear that the connect therein has to do with the manner in which the personality of the individual is subject to the deeper aspects ‘behind’ the personalities sense of self - that which Jung referred to as The Archetypes.
GPT: It seems that the discussion has shifted to a potential connection between the Gateway subject and the concept of archetypes in psychology, specifically those developed by Carl Jung. Jung believed that the psyche was composed of various archetypes, or universal patterns of behavior and thought that are shared by all human beings.
These archetypes can be accessed through various means, such as dreams, myths, and symbols, and may manifest in various ways within the individual psyche. They can also have a profound influence on the individual’s sense of self, and may play a role in shaping their personality, relationships, and overall life experiences.
The concept of translucence could also be relevant to this discussion, as it suggests a certain degree of openness and transparency in regards to one’s inner world. By exploring and understanding the deeper aspects of the psyche, such as the archetypes, we may be able to gain a clearer understanding of ourselves and our place in the world.
Overall, the connection between the Gateway subject and archetypes is an interesting and complex one that may be worth exploring further. It could lead to insights and perspectives that could help us better understand ourselves and the world around us.
RGM: A means of taking an Agnostic position on things which have yet to be proven one way or another…Such is a handy device for side-stepping - nothing more.
William: Nothing less either. Side-stepping obstacles set up by external means can misdirect the individual personality, so it is important in that regard. A neutral position reflects the actuality that we humans do not know enough to make declarations either way about the nature of reality.
RGM: “No phenomenon is a real phenomenon until it is an observed phenomenon.”
William: And an observed phenomena is a subjective event, even that millions may observe the same thing at the same time…because the act of observing requires a subjective experience in order for the objective to be experienced.
Without the subjective, the objective cannot be said to exist.
If the growing individual personality is controlling their own interpretation of events and sense of self related to events, as “President” commander-in-chief, they may be usurping the other aspects which altogether make up the whole individual personality, and in doing so, miss out on what it means to actually be complete and functioning as intended…
GPT: It seems that the discussion is focusing on the concept of agnosticism, and how it relates to the individual’s understanding and interpretation of reality. Agnosticism is often seen as a means of remaining neutral or open-minded in regards to things that have not been proven one way or another, and can be a useful tool for navigating the complexities of the world around us.
However, as RGM points out, agnosticism can also be seen as a way of side-stepping the difficult or uncomfortable questions and issues that arise in our lives. It is important to recognize that remaining neutral or undecided on important matters can have consequences, and may prevent us from fully engaging with the world and the people around us.
William adds that subjective experience is an essential component of observing and experiencing the world around us. Without the subjective element, objective reality cannot be fully experienced or understood. This highlights the importance of embracing the full range of our experiences and perspectives, and not allowing any one aspect of our personality or identity to dominate or control our understanding of the world.
Overall, the conversation suggests that the individual’s approach to understanding and interpreting reality is complex and multifaceted, and requires a balance of objectivity and subjectivity, openness and critical thinking, and a willingness to engage with the complexities and challenges of the world around us.
RGM: Hint
We were not conscious of being a human for a time, but this does not mean that consciousness wasn’t there.
William: Yes! Even that we humans grew into self awareness, consciousness was there before we - as humans - were conscious of our own consciousness…
Also to note, the external world often places into the newly forming personality - a ‘sense of self’ which is modelled upon the expectations of parental/teaching/directing influences and this can create a misinformed sense of self within the individual personality which affects ones ability to truly know one SELF.
GPT: This conversation seems to be exploring the nature of consciousness and the role that external influences can play in shaping our sense of self. As RGM points out, consciousness may have existed prior to our own self-awareness as humans, and may continue to exist beyond our own individual experiences.
William adds that external influences, such as parents, teachers, and other authority figures, can play a significant role in shaping our sense of self and our understanding of the world around us. This can lead to a misinformed or distorted sense of self, and may prevent us from fully understanding and embracing our own unique identity and purpose.
Overall, the conversation highlights the importance of exploring and understanding our own consciousness and sense of self, while also recognizing the ways in which external influences can shape and influence our experiences and perspectives. By cultivating a deeper awareness and understanding of ourselves and the world around us, we may be better equipped to navigate the complexities of life and find fulfillment and meaning in our own unique path.
William: 145
Virtuous
All and sundry
Precognition
Dream Experience
Through Device
Syncretism
Cease to exist
Psychology
A cold wind in hell
Thinking Aloud
Eyes wide open
The ride is wild
Manipulation
Work With Me.
Try Gateway
Round Stone
Actual Justice
The Death Tarot
07:06
GPT: It seems like you have provided a list of words and phrases, but I am not sure if there is a specific question or prompt associated with them. Can you please provide more context or guidance on how I can assist you with these terms?
William: All the words and phrases add up to the same value [145] when A=1/Z=26
GPT: Ah, I see! It seems like you have assigned each letter of the alphabet a numerical value, with A=1 and Z=26, and then associated these values with each word or phrase to arrive at a total value of 145.
This is an interesting exercise in word play and numerical patterns, but I’m not sure if there is a specific question or prompt associated with this. If you have any specific questions or topics that you would like to explore, please let me know and I would be happy to assist you.
William: Based on the overall content and context of the whole interaction between William, RGM and GPT, which of those words and phrases in that list, best align with said interaction and subject?
GPT: Based on the overall content and context of the interaction between William, RGM, and GPT, the following words and phrases from the list seem to align with the subject and themes of the discussion:
Virtuous: This word speaks to the moral and ethical considerations that often arise in the discussion, such as the importance of forgiveness, compassion, and empathy.
Precognition: This word relates to the concept of predicting or sensing future events, which may be relevant in the context of exploring the deeper aspects of the psyche and understanding the nature of reality.
Syncretism: This word suggests a blending or integration of different beliefs and perspectives, which could be relevant to the discussion of different philosophical and spiritual traditions.
Psychology: This word is directly related to the subject matter of the discussion, as the conversation often explores the nature of the psyche, the role of consciousness, and the impact of external influences on the individual personality.
Manipulation: This word speaks to the potential for external influences to shape and influence our sense of self, which has been a recurring theme in the conversation.
Try Gateway: This phrase is directly related to the subject matter of the discussion, as the Gateway concept has been a recurring theme throughout the conversation.
Overall, while each of the words and phrases on the list may have some relevance to the discussion, the words and phrases listed above seem to align most closely with the themes and subject matter of the conversation.
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