# Why can non-verified organisations use GPT-5 and GPT-5-mini, but not stream them? **URL:** \ **Category:** API\ **Created:** [August 8, 2025, 10:47am UTC](https://community.openai.com/t/why-can-non-verified-organisations-use-gpt-5-and-gpt-5-mini-but-not-stream-them/1338294 "2025-08-08T10:47:26Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 16\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![sebastian9](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/openai1/user_avatar/community.openai.com/sebastian9/32/448533_2.png) [@sebastian9](https://community.openai.com/u/sebastian9)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2025, 10:47am UTC](https://community.openai.com/t/why-can-non-verified-organisations-use-gpt-5-and-gpt-5-mini-but-not-stream-them/1338294/1 "2025-08-08T10:47:26Z")
So I’ve been playing around with the GPT-5 model family and am quite impressed, but I can’t help but notice that streaming both GPT-5 and GPT-5-mini is locked behind verifying the organisation of the API Key, _while non-streaming requests are available to all_. This makes no sense to me; either the model should be fully available or fully gated. Why would this be the case? ---
**Author:** ![iox66](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/c67d28/32.png) [@iox66](https://community.openai.com/u/iox66)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2025, 12:26pm UTC](https://community.openai.com/t/why-can-non-verified-organisations-use-gpt-5-and-gpt-5-mini-but-not-stream-them/1338294/2 "2025-08-08T12:26:53Z")
Same here… And verify organization is made by an external company that asks you for a camera to get a picture of you. Cant believe it. They wont get my picture. ---
**Author:** ![jenna](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/openai1/user_avatar/community.openai.com/jenna/32/664656_2.png) [@jenna](https://community.openai.com/u/jenna)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2025, 2:30pm UTC](https://community.openai.com/t/why-can-non-verified-organisations-use-gpt-5-and-gpt-5-mini-but-not-stream-them/1338294/3 "2025-08-08T14:30:12Z")
Agree. More ppl need to take issue with this. Being prompted to surrender biometric data to either openAI or a company like Persona is a huge problem in the making. It’s dystopic and authoritarian. Not being told prior to API payment that biometric data is required to access advanced models also doesn’t feel legit. ---
**Author:** ![Robbie\_Cahill](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/openai1/user_avatar/community.openai.com/robbie_cahill/32/665057_2.png) [@Robbie\_Cahill](https://community.openai.com/u/Robbie_Cahill)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2025, 1:55am UTC](https://community.openai.com/t/why-can-non-verified-organisations-use-gpt-5-and-gpt-5-mini-but-not-stream-them/1338294/4 "2025-08-09T01:55:17Z")
Here is my openrouter/open-webui experience: First, when I selected GPT 5 as the model, I get a message saying I need to add my OpenAI key in their integration settings. Then, when I did that, i’m told I need to go to Persona for an ID check requiring my sensitive biometric info. That isn’t happening. I’ll continue to use all the other models I have access to without this invasive check. If history is anything to go by, GPT-5, assuming it turns out to be better than the others, will be bested by some other model in the next 2 months. I’m not giving out my sensitive info just to get an advantage (if any) for that amount of time. I too have paid for API credits and would not have done this if I knew about this requirement for sensitive biometric data. ---
**Author:** ![sandbox](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/8491ac/32.png) [@sandbox](https://community.openai.com/u/sandbox)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2025, 2:37am UTC](https://community.openai.com/t/why-can-non-verified-organisations-use-gpt-5-and-gpt-5-mini-but-not-stream-them/1338294/5 "2025-08-09T02:37:35Z")
I want to try out gtp 5 mini but the request gets blocked because of ID verification but GPT 5 api works without id verification. Why do I need to ID verify, I dont want to do that so I will keep using Anthropic or Google. ---
**Author:** ![parisneo](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/openai1/user_avatar/community.openai.com/parisneo/32/240014_2.png) [@parisneo](https://community.openai.com/u/parisneo)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2025, 9:20am UTC](https://community.openai.com/t/why-can-non-verified-organisations-use-gpt-5-and-gpt-5-mini-but-not-stream-them/1338294/7 "2025-08-11T09:20:06Z")
I find it invasive to force people to verify organisation especially for those who use it for private purposes with other tools. I use my chatgpt acount with lollms. And it’s been great for long time because i like its personality system and ritch environnement along with the combination of local and remote ais. i use dall e and chatgpt together with my local llm. Yet, with the new stuff, i cant generate images using the gpt models nor can I use gpt5 as it uses streaming mode without having to verify organisation which i don’t want to do. They ask for too much personal information. ---
**Author:** ![agordeev](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/openai1/user_avatar/community.openai.com/agordeev/32/667399_2.png) [@agordeev](https://community.openai.com/u/agordeev)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2025, 9:53am UTC](https://community.openai.com/t/why-can-non-verified-organisations-use-gpt-5-and-gpt-5-mini-but-not-stream-them/1338294/8 "2025-08-13T09:53:41Z")
Ok, everybody please calm down. Google is about to release Gemini 3. We’ll be able to use a state of the art model without any ID checks soon. ---
**Author:** ![Dilkush\_Singh](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/openai1/user_avatar/community.openai.com/dilkush_singh/32/511448_2.png) [@Dilkush\_Singh](https://community.openai.com/u/Dilkush_Singh)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2025, 11:15am UTC](https://community.openai.com/t/why-can-non-verified-organisations-use-gpt-5-and-gpt-5-mini-but-not-stream-them/1338294/9 "2025-08-19T11:15:02Z")
I tried to access it by setting streaming off, but still got the same error. ---
**Author:** ![Martin\_Zipfel](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/openai1/user_avatar/community.openai.com/martin_zipfel/32/512214_2.png) [@Martin\_Zipfel](https://community.openai.com/u/Martin_Zipfel)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2025, 10:58pm UTC](https://community.openai.com/t/why-can-non-verified-organisations-use-gpt-5-and-gpt-5-mini-but-not-stream-them/1338294/10 "2025-08-24T22:58:22Z")
Google doesn’t need ID checks because they already know everything about you they need to know 😂 ---
**Author:** ![heeehooo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/f6c823/32.png) [@heeehooo](https://community.openai.com/u/heeehooo)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2025, 10:59am UTC](https://community.openai.com/t/why-can-non-verified-organisations-use-gpt-5-and-gpt-5-mini-but-not-stream-them/1338294/11 "2025-08-28T10:59:56Z")
has openai explained publicly at all why are they requiring such verification ? See no news and little discussions about this ☹ ---
**Author:** ![yourcat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/a88e57/32.png) [@yourcat](https://community.openai.com/u/yourcat)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2025, 10:17am UTC](https://community.openai.com/t/why-can-non-verified-organisations-use-gpt-5-and-gpt-5-mini-but-not-stream-them/1338294/12 "2025-09-07T10:17:28Z")
I’m paying for the plus subscription and API access using my card / bank account, so I’m verified by bank in my country. There is no reason to collect biometric data and send it to 3rd party. ---
**Author:** ![winkin9](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/8491ac/32.png) [@winkin9](https://community.openai.com/u/winkin9)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2025, 12:05am UTC](https://community.openai.com/t/why-can-non-verified-organisations-use-gpt-5-and-gpt-5-mini-but-not-stream-them/1338294/13 "2025-09-22T00:05:13Z")
excatly, I think openAI goes way too deep for collecting personal information for this. This is absolutely ridiculous ---
**Author:** ![Copertus](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/openai1/user_avatar/community.openai.com/copertus/32/691082_2.png) [@Copertus](https://community.openai.com/u/Copertus)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2025, 3:53am UTC](https://community.openai.com/t/why-can-non-verified-organisations-use-gpt-5-and-gpt-5-mini-but-not-stream-them/1338294/14 "2025-10-18T03:53:38Z")
This is an incredible unforced error by OAI. If Gemini 3 is better than GPT5 by a significant margin, I will never touch this API again. ---
**Author:** ![flowzy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/58956e/32.png) [@flowzy](https://community.openai.com/u/flowzy)\ **Post date:** [October 23, 2025, 12:01am UTC](https://community.openai.com/t/why-can-non-verified-organisations-use-gpt-5-and-gpt-5-mini-but-not-stream-them/1338294/16 "2025-10-23T00:01:43Z")
That’s exactly what I thought. It’s outrageous and completely implausible and unacceptable. ---
**Author:** ![punter11235](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/openai1/user_avatar/community.openai.com/punter11235/32/513210_2.png) [@punter11235](https://community.openai.com/u/punter11235)\ **Post date:** [November 2, 2025, 12:35pm UTC](https://community.openai.com/t/why-can-non-verified-organisations-use-gpt-5-and-gpt-5-mini-but-not-stream-them/1338294/17 "2025-11-02T12:35:58Z")
I’ve just run into it as well. They already know my name, credit card number and that I am verified by my bank. There is 0 need for biometric data. I wouldn’t pay for credits if I knew in advance. It’s only $50 so whatever but it just feels like a sneaky black pattern. ---
**Author:** ![1229c4e930a033c1c3ea](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/1/779978/32.png) [@1229c4e930a033c1c3ea](https://community.openai.com/u/1229c4e930a033c1c3ea)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2025, 8:53am UTC](https://community.openai.com/t/why-can-non-verified-organisations-use-gpt-5-and-gpt-5-mini-but-not-stream-them/1338294/18 "2025-11-11T08:53:07Z")
This whole verification thing is a scam. Verified almost 24 hours ago, still getting “Your organization must be verified to stream this model.” while trying to use streaming with gpt-5.