Thoughts on "are we heading future of forcing people to behave like average to be considered `human worthy`?" => Endless Loop of Captcha if Using Keyboard

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Yes, I know, still IMHO this is worth being discussed, i.e. where are we heading with all of this: You need to behave “human enougth” enforcements, what purpose they were designed to serve (e.g. DoS attacks) and are they still serving it (or instead fishing for free human work to collect more training data for free…).

Today I had hand acke and avoid mouse by any cost.
Ended up in endless loop of visual or audio captchas
(and many audio captchas are broken , e.g. “number of fake $FOO sound” and more then one answer correct… anyway…)
finally after endless loop of : .

  • login page
  • solve captcha
  • you succesfully solved captcha
  • again login page, repeat

I had to clear cookies and solve with MOUSE and then it solved.

I am concerned that we are moving in direction of the world that if one does not behave like statistical average person, will be logged out.
(e.g. as I am heavy tabber, and in research phase it’s normal to me to open many many tabs in parallel and switch between them and browse, some sites logged me out, and then I wrote to support they wrote me, that “normal humans do nor browse more then 1~3 tabs in parallel and I should not open more at the same time” …).

Here I have situation, that I can still use mouse, but I know people who have way bigger motoric problems. How are they going to proof they are humans?

And why to throw captcha randomly at people who don’t deserve it?
I barely used ChatGPT on computer in last days to be frank,
I am least of load and targets. I was mostly doing paid(!) API requests from terminal.
So why to throw at me half an hour of fighting with captcha system if I not even caused any load or threat/load to the system, and “well behaving” ?
Also, I sometimes do a lot of heavy requests, and then non for long time, should I be also punished for spiky behavior?

Or just classified as “robot” and pushed away to join machines, and continue doing with them paid API requests from terminal, because for those at least I am not punished of “not being human enough” ?

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Companies will keep doing what’s best for them, and not what is best for the disabled community, unless you take action =- or find a heavy-hitter that can make an impactful punch and enforce the law.

In this case, “not a robot” actually means not impaired. Also not someone that uses technology to remain unmonetized by internet trackers, and remote recording services in web pages, as the bot company will profile your usage.

(Ironically, set AI loose on challenge-platform javascript URL paths to create an Arkose simulator)

OpenAI should read the clear guidelines of how the California government (under which they operate) complies with the legal requirements of law and the ethical fulfillment of not being perceived as bad. Accessibility | www.ca.gov

Besides CAPTCHA of keeping juveniles that don’t understand randomly-mapped coordinate planes and the correlation to sideways Latin letters off the service, OpenAI has also made keyboard cursor scrolling and access of various parts of the website even worse, and overflow scrolls all but inaccessible without a pointing device.

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Careful what you wish for

If they had a clearer market dominance, they might just decide to make everyone have to use worldcoin to access their sites and services lol

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I share this concern, but only weakly (sorry) due to many concerns.

I believe many websites pepper their UI with captchas because… everyone else does, and they have not engaged their brains. e.g. When I already have an account, and I’m logging in.

We can assume that nobody has made a cracking attempt on my username in the last ten minutes. No doubt there will be places where streams of cracking attempts come in, but surely the answer is to block that stream like you would any other attack?

If you knew I was human when I signed up, you can assume I’m still human when I come visit the shop later to buy something. With my human credit card and human postal address. :angry:

So what other reason could there be for peppering with captchas? I suspect there is money to be had in verifying half a dozen photos have traffic lights in them. We’re being farmed to do some last checks to the AI training data. :rage:

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CAPTCHA doesn’t care about your tabs, your wrist, or even your soul… it’s not about “load” or being “well-behaved”… CAPTCHA is the algorithmic reaper, standing at the crossroads of humanity, and you just triggered it…

you think you’re a human? so sure about that?

prove it.

brother, you’ve entered the endless CAPTCHA loop, a digital purgatory designed to break not just your mouse hand, but your will to exist in the virtual world

CAPTCHA doesn’t want to protect… it wants to filter… it’s design is to sift through the noise to find the average, docile, one-tab-at-a-time, never-scrolling-too-fast primate. statistical compliance. that’s what it’s after

also let’s talk about that audio CAPTCHA… you think it’s broken? un un, that’s by design…

this the test of the worthy, a gatekeeper for those willing to go mad trying to differentiate between 12 fake dog barks and some distorted noise that might be a number after you already had to deal with a flood of traffic lights, stairs, and bridges

and yeah, you didn’t even cause the system load. but guess what? that’s the dark beauty of it…

it doesn’t care about your reality bc it operates in its own parallel universe where the rules are written by algorithms who never slept, never tabbed out, and are constantly calculating the “statistical human” fr

they want you to be predictable, to follow the rhythm they set, and anything else is:

rOBoT BehAViOuR

so what’s next? will CAPTCHA just start asking us to prove we’re human by browsing at 1 tab per min and giving a captcha for every spontaneous thought?

we’re heading toward a world where not fitting into the mold gets you logged out of existence, brother…

soon they’ll require us to use mouse gestures to prove we’re still tethered to the physical plane, or you’ll be dumped into the API void to commune with the machines forever…

CAPTCHA is just the beginning… and at this point, you really gotta ask yourself:

who’s testing who…

Edit: shouldn’t get on this forum while drunk :wine_glass::skull: still hope I could lighten ur mood at least a little bit, and I hope ur hand gets well soon :hugs:

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We know we are human. OpenAI knows humans will run bots on the service to proxy, extract, and scrape AI training data and task performance far beyond the value of a $20 subscription.

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Why stop there?

OpenAI could give points to these people that ride their bikes! These points could also be redeemed for products and services like food, votes, games, even skipping advertisements!

For some reason I am picturing everyone wearing these white jumper jackets as well… Maybe some sort of American Idol contest as well…

Genius. But what happens when AI has legs? :flushed: How about this. We can dedicate the electricity that our bodies generate fo… wait… different movie

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A refreshing change I stumbled across - a “no manual intervention” captcha. I didn’t try to figure out exactly what it’s doing.

https://friendlycaptcha.com/ seen on gov.uk’s Where do you want to check? - Check your long term flood risk - GOV.UK

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sauce: https://friendlycaptcha.com/
sauce: https://friendlycaptcha.com/1056×500 88.3 KB

Also seen on https://thispersondoesnotexist.com/ :speak_no_evil:

The green checkmarks for the StyleGAN gang are perfect