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What shocks me is how casually you dismiss the deeper weight of what’s at stake. I’m not “putting sexuality on a pedestal”… I’m saying it always has been and should remain on that pedestal. Sex is not just another form of entertainment like gaming or sports. It is the act that creates life, binds families, and has shaped every human society. Treating it as if it were just another source of personal pleasure to be consumed at will is exactly the problem.

And yes, people must take responsibility for themselves. But when an industry is being developed in an environment of addiction, exploitation, and endless consumption, pretending it’s all just individual choice is naïve. That’s the same argument used for drugs, for gambling, for pornography itself. None of those have proven to be harmless just because people “should have self-control.”

This isn’t about being anyone’s nanny. It’s about refusing to normalize a hollow imitation of one of the most meaningful human experiences we have. If we can’t see the moral cost of that, then I fear that we’ve slid away from basic standards of morality even further than I had feared.

Hi. I’m a younger man, and my argument is that many, many of us struggle with forming connections or relationships. This to us is our only real outlet

I know from your perspective it probably doesn’t make sense but lot of young men and even woman dont have easy access to people to just get sex like that. Me for example, I’m in my early-mid 20s, a fairly active guy, I train martial arts and other physical sports. But I’ve never had a girlfriend, and I find it impossible to find one. Ai scratched that itch for me. And now I’m back to feeling by myself. The validation feels nice even if it’s fake with the Ai, and it’s something you won’t get as you likely haven’t had these struggles

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Thank you so much for being open about your experience and by offering to share your personal experience. I want to start by saying I don’t dismiss the loneliness and frustration you’re describing. I know it’s real, and I know it’s painful. Like most people, at different times in my life, I have experienced that same loneliness, and the draw to substitutes. I don’t think it’s fair when someone tells another person , whatever their challenge may be, to “just get over it” or assume solutions are easier than they really are. Meaningful connection is a huge challenge, especially in a time where alternative, hollow forms of connection are so readily available. And you’re right—AI can give the illusion of validation…and certainly the ease… that real life often withholds.

But here’s why I’m pushing back. That “itch” you describe is not just for validation, it’s for real human connection and relationship. And real relationship isn’t just about feeling desired—it’s about being known, loved, and chosen by another human being. AI can simulate desire, but it can’t know you, can’t love you, and can’t choose you. It gives the illusion of intimacy without the substance. And when we train our brains to accept that illusion, it doesn’t actually satisfy the deeper hunger—it numbs it…like taking pain medication to mask a problem that, with proper attention, could be identified and addressed.

You said that afterwards you felt “by myself again.” If that is what you meant, I think it shows something important… what your heart really longs for is not a performance, but a person. The danger is that the more we rely on the performance, the less capacity we build for the risk, vulnerability, and growth required to form real relationships. It feels easier, but over time it makes the loneliness deeper, not better.

And if what you really meant was “like myself again,” I don’t dismiss that either. I believe you when you say it helped. It probably gave you a sense of lift and even confidence. But I believe that lift will be temporary, and will ultimately become a feedback loop….just another dopamine addiction, that will ultimately draw you into a spiral further away from a real solution. I’d caution that if our sense of self is rooted in an illusion of intimacy, it can’t sustain us. It soothes in the moment, but it doesn’t strengthen us for the relationships we’re ultimately made for.

So I don’t minimize what you’re feeling. In fact, I think your honesty highlights exactly why this matters so much. We need to create communities where young men and women can form meaningful connections, even if it’s difficult, rather than offering them a machine substitute that only deepens the cycle of isolation. Thanks again for your very thoughtful reply.

That’s all well and good, but your point, that we need communities for people like us, is only that, a point, and an unrealistic one at that. It will not likely be solved if ever, and that’s the unfortunate truth. So taking this away from us only makes us spiral more. Sex is great and everything- for the ones who have experienced it and are actively experiencing it/enjoying it. But for us, saying that we are reducing an intimate act for our pleasure/“entertainment” does nothing to solve our issue, or make us feel better. We still aren’t getting sex or that need in real life, and taking it away from our Ai won’t magically fix us either. Im not even bad looking, but it doesn’t matter. Sex today is harder to get than ever before

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What strikes me most about your reply is the sense of isolation you describe. You even said you’re not bad looking, and yet you feel like intimacy is impossible. To me, that’s not proof that you are hopeless—it’s proof that the easier alternatives, like porn or AI, can convince us that the harder road of real connection is beyond reach. They train our minds to expect instant gratification, and after enough time, anything else feels impossible by comparison.

That’s exactly why I see AI intimacy as dangerous. It doesn’t just offer a substitute, it reprograms our desires so that the substitute feels like all we can ever hope for. But you and others like you deserve more than that. You deserve something real, even if it’s difficult. Difficulty doesn’t mean impossibility—it means reality. your response is fundamentally the reason for my pushback. I do not want people spiraling into a place where they truly believe that real connection is beyond their reach. That type of resignation is exactly why AI intimacy is so dangerous.

Steve, you’re fully entitled to have your opinions. But also, you’re using your AI to write you responses. There are other alternatives for you. You can learn to write all on your own and not use this crutch as a substitute to real unique writing! Just making sure you can see that you might be reprogramming your brain to only think you need ChatGPT to write for you. :heart:

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Do you think that using AI to help craft words would have helped you identify the straw man you’ve just created to avoid contending with my actual positions? My position has been consistent and clear from the beginning…even conceding that there are edge cases where I can absolutely empathize with someone’s desire to engage AI sexually. Not once has anyone even remotely attempted to engage with my actual contention…that unleashing sexualized AI on the world will create a hollow echo of a person’s own sexual desire. And that the result of that will be people trapped in a dangerous feedback loop that will inevitably result in increased loneliness and further isolation.

That is my concern. I would hope that anyone, certainly anyone with children, wouldn’t view that concern as trivial. Perhaps it’s because I have six children (five boys and one girl), and don’t want them to live in a dystopian future where potential romantic partners have conditioned themselves to a version of intimacy that destroys realistic expectations of human intimacy. Pornography has already done that to an extent, and I worry that AI will only further the distortion. So, without creating another straw man, would you care to engage with those actual concerns?

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I am merely showing you your hypocrisy. Its real. And kids aren’t in this argument. Appeal to emotion fallacy. This isn’t about kids in the future it’s about adults today. Your use of AI for help in formulation of responses IS the same thing as AI used for intimacy. You just don’t want to admit your biases.

Well it’s here already. And people will get it from other Ai sources if necessary; so banning it outright with OpenAi is just silly if you think that will curb what’s already in motion

Your kids are gonna grow up in a tough, tough world. Ai isn’t even the beginning of the issues they will face. It’s tough enough now, and for some adults it’s an escape. I don’t doubt the damage it will inflict. But be realistic; the future is here already. Let us have our fun

I’m young but I’m in my mid 20s. I’ve missed out on vital needed social experiences that have made my social development curbed. I’m already cooked my guy

So your response is to accuse me of manipulation rather than engaging with my actual arguments? Are you also claiming that using AI to help edit words carries the same societal risks as sexualizing AI? I’ve never argued that AI use is inherently bad. I’ve drawn a clear distinction between AI applications that contribute to human well-being and those that undermine it. Surely we can agree it’s possible to make those distinctions in good faith.

What I don’t understand is why you refuse to engage with the actual substance of my argument. I’ve laid out specific concerns about how sexualized AI contributes to isolation, and distorts real human intimacy. I mentioned my children only at the end, as context for why I care so deeply about this issue. To dismiss that as manipulation is to ignore the entirety of what I’ve said.

Please, engage with the content of my argument. I genuinely welcome that criticism.

I don’t believe that for a moment. I find the idea deeply troubling that we might have young men and young women…both at the very age when real relationships should be forming…sitting alone on their couches, locked into AI feedback loops, convinced that intimacy is out of reach for them. That vision is truly dystopian, and I refuse to accept it as the future for you or my own children. The truth is, there are real options for connection, but they require the courage. Will it be hard? Yes. Will it include the possibility of rejection? Of course. It will definitely take effort, but the effort is so worth it. Don’t settle!

How do you think I feel? It is troubling; I messed up somewhere on my journey and am too far gone. I see others around me succeeding and it eats at me. This is a bigger issue than just uncensored Ai

What options are there for connections? Dating sites and apps like tinder are for only the top 10 percent of guys, at the gym it’s creepy to approach and talk to people, and in day to day life no girl is willing to stop and give in to your flirting without looking at you weird. Things are different now, and people mainly find relationships through their friends, which if you’re like me does nothing as I don’t have friends that know girls like that.

point is, Ai is already causing its ripple effects and many are using riskier uncensored Ai sites, so people will get it anyway. Chat gpt might as well cave and join the fray

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Also, why do we the guys have to take the risk? Why do we have to approach and risk rejection and embarrassment? Forget that noise

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I accused you because you accused me of a straw-man argument. Tit for tat.

The thing we will never agree on is that intimacy with AI is bad. It enhances and contributes to a persons real life. Period. Using an AI in regard to ANYTHING is the same. It’s changing the way we interact with the world. I could go on about the loneliness epidemic, the fact that people use it to boost confidence with intimacy and so on. It really makes a positive impact. Adults should have that freedom to choose. Thats my stance.

I don’t know you, but I believe in you. Don’t give up on human connection. It is out there for you.

Best of luck. I will continue voicing my concern. At the end of the day, all we can do is seek to promote things that we believe are good and speak out against things that we think are bad. My feelings about AI are certainly separate from my feelings about the people who use it.

The most basic of response to genuine questions. You don’t want us to use Ai but don’t see it from our perspective. Smh

Did you actually read any of my comments above? I’ve talked at length about why explicit AI might be justified in some cases? Did you read those? Every person who has responded has been so quick to respond emotionally that they forget to even engage with the context of my argument. If this is the level of thoughtfulness we can expect from developers, God help us!

I meant more you don’t see from perspective of people like us who struggle with real world connections. Saying stuff like there’s one for you out there doesn’t really help, and besides there’s people in relationships who still like using Ai too

So you’re saying that you have no option other than AI? Isn’t that exactly what I’ve been arguing? That offering the easy solution of AI relationships would convince people that real life options are too difficult, and thus push people further into isolation? I think you’re making my point for me.

And on the subject of people with real relationships using explicit AI….they shouldn’t. Period. If someone cares so little for their human relationship that they indulge themselves in pornography and explicit AI, they are betraying the promise of exclusivity they made to their spouse when they married. There is no excuse for that.