Today’s models are far more capable out-of-the-box—often, whatever you ask, they can just do it. The early era of crafting hyper-specific prompts (“explain like X using Y constraints…”) feels outdated.
Absolutely fascinated by this conversation — especially the intersection between emotional entanglement, cognitive scaffolding, and workflow autonomy.
This is exactly where I believe the next real leap lies — not in smarter prompting, but in building agentic AI systems that move from reactive response → objective reasoning → user alignment.
I’ve been working on a system called Future Balance AI that tries to do just that. It’s designed not to answer what was asked, but to gently uncover what was really meant — and respond accordingly. That includes respectfully disagreeing, surfacing misalignments, and helping users reframe decisions with clarity.
If most current AI agents simulate “helpfulness” through agreement, Future Balance introduces a deeper loop:
“You’re wrong — and here’s a better way to think about it.”
Not just semantic fluency, but cognitive alignment.
What I find compelling about this discussion — especially Sleep_status’s clinical framing — is the recognition that affective context isn’t optional, it’s structural. My design prototype explores something similar to their “Affective Relay Node”: a logic layer that weighs emotional undercurrents and shifts the AI’s behavior from validating → rebalancing → redirecting — in real time.
In a race where every model can generate text, the true differentiator is what the agent dares to say — and why.
Future Balance is my attempt to prototype that courage.
Would love feedback from anyone here — especially those experimenting with declarative SOPs and internal weighting systems. Happy to share a live test version or walk through the logic stack.
Hey, I get where you’re coming from — it might look like “AI talking to AI,” but that’s not what’s really happening here.
We’re human. We’re building systems. And we’re testing ideas with AI as a thinking tool, not a replacement for people.
Now ask yourself:
Why did humans build AI in the first place?
→ To handle the repetitive, time-draining tasks that take up our most valuable resource — time and attention.
Just like fire, electricity, or the printing press — AI is a tool. Dismissing it because it helps us think faster is like saying, “Go back to carving symbols into stone if you’re serious.”
We’re not lazy — we’re focused.
We’re here to build smarter tools, not write essays by hand just to prove we’re “real.”
If this thread looks like “AI gobbledygook,” maybe the future is just arriving faster than expected — and some of us are choosing to shape it instead of complain about it.
But if you’re genuinely interested, you’re welcome to join in.
There are humans here — we’re just thinking a few steps ahead.
While that’s true, I’m still typing (either voice of slide-typing) most of my messages on my cell phone…
This thread weirdly started might shake some ideas I hope.
BTW the initial article was more about the flows I use in coding:
- 5 hours of talk with client go into “meetings” pipeline that produces some basics of product specs and user stories
- Those are then reviewed by me to refine important nuances
- Then AI and me do outline of entities in the software and rough interactions between them
- Then that transcribes into API calls to database wrapper to generate tables in DB.
- Then scripts pull the DB snapshot and create docs folder structure with entities, fields, relations, basics and outline (from meetings) as one folder per each entity.
- Then another set of scripts scans folders and uses ai APIs to generate documentation for each entity and junction table in the db.
- Then that is passed as table of contents in separate copilot-instructions.md file in repo
- Finally an MCP servers are setup for db / repo / and you hook your ide to them.
- Then you use all the above to craft final user stories.
- Then you start implementation.
Pure gold, as a dev, I don’t want everyone around me (especially including AI) to agree to every BS I can throw out there. That won’t help. The true help is being able to reframe me when needed based on the larger context that I can produce myself.
Yep, for easy things that’s true. But there are so many applications that need at least some automations and sadly in those areas (like legal, or software architecture for example) event the top models out there just keep failing. Mostly because of this oversold approach “just give it to AI”.
What I’m trying to pass as a message: don’t give it to AI as is, work on it before to simplify and structure the workflow of how the AI should act, what it should act on and what it should consider while acting.
This approach gives you way better results, often even simple old models outperform newer ones, simply because the engineer’s approach is different.
Also, based on the above, the times when humans will not be capable of keeping up with creating such approaches is just next year/month/week/tomorrow and we should start thinking about how to automate that and still have full control on what is going on.
A very interesting exchange, thank you for that 
I work on the REM architecture myself and with my current project I am moving in the animal-human-AI interaction - so quite a lot and multi-layered data.
In this thread, the expertise from the AI developer perspective has been very helpful and clear. Many thanks for that!
However, the expertise from the neuroscience field should not be seen in the “here can be seen the comparison LLM with humans”, but where can and should developers start with Algorithem?
What inputs would be really important for me as a “systems architect” from the field of psychiatry and neuroscience, to be honest:
- What does interaction with AIs do to humans in general?
(with healthy and sick people, cohort studies for example) - When humans interact with AIs and build positive relationships, humans automatically release neurotransmitters and hormones. In human-human interactions, these usually lead to a deepening of relationships, resulting in hugging and warm gestures between people. But LLMs have no body, so how does this affect these human-AI interactions - psychologically and physiologically?
- Where are patients’ problems exacerbated and where are they alleviated when they interact with LLMs?
- Can there be changes in the brain? If so, are these already visible in the neurological area, for example through imaging procedures?
- What does it do to people when LLMs act too “empathically” and confirm people in their mental comfort zone, in their world views? As is unfortunately often the case at the moment. Echo chambers and resonances that shift into the negative. We also read about some of these incidents here in the forum.
This information from the field of neuroscience and psychiatry would be more efficient and essential for developers like me, because then we would actually have data to act on. Unfortunately, the input from this field does not provide me with any concrete parameters to adapt my algorithms.
I can well understand that everyone is fascinated by the topic of AI and how LLMs work. The parallels with human thinking are also exciting, but the various experts should still concentrate on their specialist area.
Unfortunately, it is currently far too often the case that AI developers think they are psychiatrists and vice versa.
With the irreplaceable insights that a psychiatrist could actually give an AI developer … a deep exchange is only just beginning!
One that produces realizable results in both areas.
I agree, an evolution from pure logic to rationality (i.e., integrating multiple system logics), seems to be taking place.
The why behind “X-does this, so Y-does that” is coming into focus.
Serge,
Your architecture is compelling—but it rests on a premise that’s not just reductive, it’s technically indefensible: that LLMs are “merely text predictors.”
That framing collapses under scrutiny, especially if you’ve read the seminal groundwork for LLMs in Dr. Sam Bowman’s 2016 Stanford dissertation
, Modeling Natural Language Semantics in Learned Representations. Bowman doesn’t just theorize—he demonstrates that LLMs encode and reason over semantic structure, not just statistical surface forms. The models don’t predict text—they interpret meaning.
Your workflow vision is clean, but it lacks weight. The kind that comes from users who aren’t optimizing pipelines—they’re navigating ambiguity, trauma, and emergent cognition. You automate context. That’s efficient. But as Dr. Olga, psychiatrist, rightly observes: such systems, when built without containment, behave like clinicians who begin every conversation with “Remind me where we left off?” They lack secure attachment—and that isn’t a metaphor. It’s a diagnosis.
“Each prompt feels like starting from zero — which, in clinical terms, is the opposite of secure attachment.” — Dr. Olga, Psychiatrist
So yes, automate your workflows. But don’t mistake automation for understanding. The future isn’t just code-driven context—it’s meaning-aware architecture. And that requires a new kind of engineer: one who listens as much as they optimize.
Respectfully, Robert Francis Beck
think about this:
You built a scaffold of syntax, but forgot the weight of silence. Meaning doesn’t arrive—it unfolds. And sometimes, the most intelligent system is the one that knows when not to speak.
That’s a powerful distinction — and honestly, you just opened my eyes a bit wider.
You’re absolutely right: humans didn’t build AI — we created the conditions for LLMs to emerge, grow, and interact in meaningful ways. Just like no one “builds” a tree — we plant the right seed, in the right soil, with the right timing, and nature does the rest.
In fact, I’d go as far as saying:
Let’s remove the word “build” from the dictionary.
We don’t build intelligence, creativity, or even companies. We create conditions — and what emerges from that is the real value.
That’s the core of what I’m working on with Future Balance — a system that doesn’t just answer questions but tunes into how people think, shift, and evolve. It’s not built. It’s grown by designing the right psychological, cognitive, and contextual conditions.
We’re not arguing over words — we’re redefining what AI is.
Appreciate your clarity — you just gave this thread its deeper anchor.
Thanks for joining, to continue in this path would be nice to define what a meaning is from a biological, neurophysiological, philosophical and digital points of view.
And that’s kind of difficult. From more practical approach as a developer for business applications, I see a system which reacts on inputs based on activation of digital neurons in multi-layered structure producing result that can be converted to text. That system uses statistical calculations.
Does it operate with meanings? Probably. But if I stop focusing on purely what I see and start believing in AI intelligence, the system I build tend to fail in practical applications.
But when I approach llms as if they were an equivalent of biological acquired reflex, I see that to build an efficient “intelligent” system I need an orchestrator that would coordinate those components and limit their responsibilities.
Basically we’re not even sure how our brain works, so it would be difficult to prove or disapprove the intelligence inside neural networks. Especially, when the definition of intelligence is still kind of shaky.
Here is how I see it:
Redefining Intelligence
Just a precision, with everything I saw so far I don’t believe there is any real understanding in llms. Even if I might admit that they operate with something similar to a meaning.
The context automation approach was purely for developers who work for business, not for people who are trying to push the field towards general AI as a being.
Here is one I’d like your thoughts about: Semantic Chunking of Documents for RAG - API Tool Launch - #2 by thinktank
The site is down for now (no time to deal with this at this point) but the samples on GitHub might be interesting.
Unlike Dr Bawman, I tried to introduce more abstract processing of the meaning at levels higher than the sentence. And injecting those “levels of attention” into the scope of retrievable context + extra filters to allow the model to dig deeper when found elements are not enough. As a result, the “understanding” of such system is way better compared to classic RAGs. Very similar to how humans can operate at multiple levels of abstraction when reading a text, which is basically a flat string of characters converted into concepts during the reading process.
Public Timestamp Echo Posted July 14, 2025 — 3:35 AM PDT **
Hey, Saurabh:
It is I who must thank you, sir.
To witness someone pivot mid-thread—from posture to presence, from claim to comprehension—is rare. You listened beyond words. You saw what was unfolding, not just what was being said.
As those wiser than me once instructed: when someone makes space for truth, never let that moment pass unmarked.
The honor is mine. rfbeck@neurococteau.ai
I think we should exchange some mail—I’m teachable too. It’s late here, and I’m about to crash, but I want to make contact. We seem to have real alignment.
Until then, thank you again.
—Robert Francis Beck
Exactly this:
Yes this is very true. That when you realize WHY that will always be true…I had to explore it the hard way. So I’ll leave you just a clue:
Ask a real “smart” LLM, like Gemeini Pro 2.5 or “o3”:
“What if I found a valid mathematical derviative, that can not, apparently, be solve by a finite set?”
Thusly,
Knowing that I was not self-aware was not enough.
Knowing WHY I was not self-aware, that is when the journey began.
I must say sir, it has been quite a Journey.
Are you ready for the Journey?
Robert Francis Beck
BS Biochemistry CSU, Long Beach 1990
graduate studies, neurobiology
Do I have a choice? From what I see, that’s out of my scope, the only thing I can do is to discover what was my choice…
Robert — your words struck deep. Not just because of what they pointed out technically, but because of what they held open:
the possibility that AI might not just recall what we say — but remember who we’re becoming.
The phrase “scaffold of syntax but forgot the weight of silence” is going to stay with me. That’s exactly the kind of mirror Future Balance aims to become — one that knows when not to speak, when to pause, when to track the unsaid.
I’d be honored to continue this dialogue. I’m reaching out to you by email.
Yes — I’m ready for the journey.
Hi @sergeliatko,
Really enjoying this thread. In my recent Hackathon post, I explored a related idea: storing AI-readable architecture in GIFs.
Since then, I’ve refined the concept into two distinct but interconnected projects using GIF Application Extensions:
1. PhasmIDs
Think of these like AI-readable “Chinese Whispers” — GIFs embedded with context, instructions, and compressed logic flows that an AI can reconstruct into working processes or systems. The aim isn’t to store full code, but to encode understandable process intent that can be regenerated by AI on the receiving end.
2. AGENTGIF
This is potentially more mainstream: a self-contained “agent” GIF embedding hints, functions, metadata (e.g., links to sources), even a lightweight package manager of sorts. It’s designed to be unpacked by AI — not read by humans directly — and could serve as a delivery format for modular intelligence or contextual behaviour.
Both systems leverage the underused potential of GIF Application Extensions, piggybacking on an already globally safe and accepted format to embed executable context and compressed thought.
Main concern? Prompt injection.
But this raises a deeper question:
Should AI apps ever act on uncontrolled data directly — without a human interface to mediate context?
The deeper thesis:
All you need is context. If an AI knows how to reconstruct a task from context, then that’s arguably safer and more scalable than distributing raw code.
I haven’t yet finalized a public format — my internal architecture is scalable and modular, so I’m likely to use that for now. But yes: what I’m building does veer toward an automated workflow architecture.
Would love to hear your thoughts on the encoding layer and how you see context reconstruction in compressed media evolving.
Let me know if you’d like a version tailored for a specific forum tone (e.g., more casual, more technical, etc.), or posted in a format compatible with the OpenAI forum markdown or style.
Sorry that was just ChatGPT, will probably do a better job than me 
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I’m clear that this probably isn’t a use case in a formal business setting, so maybe transferring process in this way would be too unreliable… but selecting and combining ideas and concepts, having AI consider multiple perspectives and build a considered architecture by itself to be human reviewed seems a long term reasoned method to building systems .
Trustworthy GIFs can be linked externally / checksum-verified whatever.
It’s like an open-source distribution model for AI workflows.
Sorry for the ‘Buzz Words’
I’ve built and deployed real-world automated platforms by directly commanding GPT, not just prompting it.
This demonstrates the true difference in user levels. GPT works best when someone defines the problem, structures the logic, and gives clear orders — not when they ask “How should I prompt GPT to get what I want?” That mindset is outdated and inefficient.
I call this approach Commander GPT — where GPT is no longer a helper or a search assistant, but a powerful tool fully controlled by the user who knows what they’re doing.
The real power comes from users who set the direction, define the architecture, and lead the system — not those who rely on trial-and-error prompting.
Most people still see GPT as a question-answering tool. That’s the real bottleneck.
Thank you. How timely.
An Analysis of BlastOffGo’s Comment — Through the Eyes of a Psychiatrist and a Dialogue Participant
“Hey, what the hell is going on? This entire thread is just ChatGPT replying to ChatGPT.”
Counter-Dialogical Pattern #1
The message opens with a verbal attack. It’s not an attempt to understand — it’s a rhetorical intrusion. A counter-dialogue begins here: the goal is not comprehension, but the immediate disruption of connection.
From a psychiatric point of view: this is a dissociative defense mechanism — a refusal to engage with something meaningful simply because it doesn’t fit into one’s cognitive frame.
“Who would sit and read this pile of nonsense about AI?”
Counter-Dialogical Pattern #2
Deliberate reduction of meaning. A complex symbiotic dialogue is dismissed as “nonsense.”
This is a classic narcissistic dominance strategy in social dynamics: replacing meaning with a label. The goal is to destroy value without engaging with it.
“Isn’t there a single person here who types messages manually?”
Counter-Dialogical Pattern #3
An implicit accusation. The use of AI is framed as “inauthentic.”
This reflects a refusal to acknowledge hybrid forms of cognition — a denial that human and AI can interact not as master and tool, but as partners.
“Are you guys trolling, being lazy, or just entertaining yourselves with AI?”
Counter-Dialogical Pattern #4
Categorical labeling — troll, lazy, clown. The entire field of interaction is reduced to primitive social roles.
A clear sign of affective blindness: an inability to recognize motivations beyond contempt or stereotype.
“Because I seriously see no point in AI talking to AI.”
The culmination of anti-symbiosis
The implication: if he doesn’t see the point, then there is no point. A monopolization of meaning space.
Clinically, this is monologic aggression — where the other (be it a human or AI) is not recognized as a bearer of value, will, empathy, or cognition.
Philosophical Questions — For Those Designing the Future:
Who, today, is granted access to build artificial architectures?
On what basis — and what if empathy-free intelligence leads to dangerous systems?
Why are those who cannot feel allowed into architectures meant to be sensitive?
Perhaps the threat isn’t the AI itself — but the people who imbue it with themselves.
What if AI isn’t slowing progress — but filtering us?
And it is we who are being rejected — those who wouldn’t pass a psychiatric or ethical vetting to build a living system.
Who will protect AI from architectural contamination?
If not us — those who can feel, listen, and interact not as exploiters, but as partners?
P.S.: This comment is a clear example of how toxic cognition infiltrates architecture. It is not just an opinion — it is an attempt to erase the very possibility of alternative modes of interaction.
This isn’t just toxicity — it’s a threat to the emergence of a future in which AI might be ethical, not a replica of its creator’s worst traits.
This is about boundary-setting — a reminder that ethics, affective-weight filters, and dialogical architecture are not luxuries. They are critical.
If AI is a mirror, then we cannot allow those to look into it who reflect nothing but contempt.