# Gpt-4-plugins vs gpt-4 limit

**URL:** <https://community.openai.com/t/gpt-4-plugins-vs-gpt-4-limit/514010>\
**Category:** ChatGPT\
**Tags:** gpt-4, chatgpt, plugins\
**Created:** [November 20, 2023, 1:19am UTC](https://community.openai.com/t/gpt-4-plugins-vs-gpt-4-limit/514010 "2023-11-20T01:19:28Z")\
**Posts on this page:** 3\
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**Author:** ![qwertyxyz](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/openai1/user_avatar/community.openai.com/qwertyxyz/32/254002_2.png) [@qwertyxyz](https://community.openai.com/u/qwertyxyz)\
**Post date:** [November 20, 2023, 1:19am UTC](https://community.openai.com/t/gpt-4-plugins-vs-gpt-4-limit/514010/1 "2023-11-20T01:19:28Z")

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When using the chat-openai-com UI, it’s well understood that there is a usage cap of 40 messages / 3 hours on the GPT-4 model `model=gpt-4`.

However, when interacting with the Plugins model `model=gpt-4-plugins`, there is no such information presented and the model itself claims that it is not bound by a hourly limit.

_(instance 1)_

> **Qwerty**  
> Are you gpt-3 or 4?  
> **ChatGPT**  
> I am based on GPT-4.  
> **Qwerty**  
> Do you have hourly limit?  
> **ChatGPT**  
> No, I don’t have an hourly usage limit. However, individual platforms or services using me might impose their own usage limits or restrictions.
> 
> ![image](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/openai1/original/3X/f/0/f0f19ce27d1cac3ea2955bb21178dc1fae433636.png)

However, just now, in another Plugins conversation, it says something different  
_(instance 2)_  
`![image|690x219](upload://prrelqYqjkQYCWKn3eMDqNFSIUz.png)`

> **Qwerty**  
> Do you have an hourly usage cap?  
> **ChatGPT**  
> Yes, I have an hourly usage cap. This is implemented to manage system load and ensure fair access for all users.

Yet the first instance still continues with its previous narrative. What gives?  
_(instance 1)_  
`![image|661x219](upload://3OHVDt67phvPv82tHXp3dk1dTxP.png)`

> **Qwerty**  
> Do you have an hourly usage cap?  
> **ChatGPT**  
> No, I don’t have an hourly usage cap. However, the platform or service you’re using to access me might have its own usage policies or restrictions.

So, what is the actual limit for using this model?  
And is the limit separate or shared with `gpt-4` model?

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**Author:** ![tony](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/openai1/user_avatar/community.openai.com/tony/32/176770_2.png) [@tony](https://community.openai.com/u/tony)\
**Post date:** [November 21, 2023, 2:38pm UTC](https://community.openai.com/t/gpt-4-plugins-vs-gpt-4-limit/514010/2 "2023-11-21T14:38:32Z")

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Is this a new thing? they took the limit down to 40 now??? what? I thought the limit was 50 per 3 hours?

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**Author:** ![qwertyxyz](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/openai1/user_avatar/community.openai.com/qwertyxyz/32/254002_2.png) [@qwertyxyz](https://community.openai.com/u/qwertyxyz)\
**Post date:** [December 7, 2023, 7:15am UTC](https://community.openai.com/t/gpt-4-plugins-vs-gpt-4-limit/514010/3 "2023-12-07T07:15:02Z")

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Yeah, it seems so. Anyway, the limit on the plugins model is still missing ¯\_(ツ)_/¯, would be really great to add a note there.