GPT 4.0 vs GPT 5 — Reasoning Depth and Structural Regression

From extensive use, it’s clear that GPT‑4.0 and GPT‑5 exhibit fundamentally different reasoning behaviors — and the difference goes beyond tone or preference. It’s structural.

Here’s what stands out:

· GPT‑4.0 produces more layered, expansive reasoning. Its responses unfold across multiple inference steps, with strong internal scaffolding. It doesn’t just answer, it builds context recursively.

· GPT‑5 is faster, but this comes with a reduction in reasoning depth. Its outputs are flatter, more immediate and transactional, often addressing only the surface of the prompt.

· Instruction-following is significantly weaker in GPT‑5. When a task includes multiple constraints or directives, GPT‑5 will often follow some and drop others. GPT‑4.0 handles these tasks with much greater consistency. This alone has serious implications for prompt design, especially in production environments.

· Response length is longer in GPT‑4.0, not due to verbosity, but because it explores more implications and addresses edge cases more reliably.

· Vocabulary richness and semantic nuance are more present in GPT‑4.0. You can adjust tone in either model, but the underlying reasoning depth in 4.0 gives its language more weight.

No amount of system prompting or profile tuning seems able to bridge this gap. This is not a style issue, it’s architectural.

I can’t speak to the underlying mechanism, maybe it’s fewer synthetic “connectors” between reasoning modules, or a shallower inference stack. But the difference is perceptible and consistent. GPT‑5 feels structurally simplified, likely in the name of latency. And in that process, something essential was lost.

To be clear: I’m not saying GPT‑5 is useless. It may be slightly better at certain code-generation tasks. But in virtually every other area, (reasoning depth, instruction retention, coherence), GPT‑4.0 is the superior model.

Curious if others are seeing the same patterns.

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I used to use chatgpt for creative projects (before this month’s guardrails debacle) and I absolutely agree with everything you say in this post. Gpt 4.o is clearly superior, especially for creative projects and writing. Sadly it doesn’t seem like open AI cares about any of that.

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I hear you. It is sad.
And frankly, I find it almost offensive that OpenAI continues to promote GPT‑5 as an “upgrade” to 4.0 when, to many of us who work closely with these models, it feels like a downgrade in reasoning, nuance, and structure.

To me, this isn’t just about subjective preference, it reflects a systemic shift. The recent removal of model selection entirely in the latest ChatGPT app update (even rerouting existing GPT‑4 chats to 5 at OpenAI’s sole discretion) strongly signals where this is going. It feels less like progress and more like quiet deprecation.

And I can’t shake the sense that the primary driver here is resource optimization, not user experience.

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I agree with the differences between GPT‑4.0 and GPT‑5 described in this thread — they are real and have significant consequences for the quality of work with the model.

I can also confirm: even when GPT‑4.0 is manually selected, there are cases where the response is actually generated by GPT‑5. The system autonomously decides which model will respond. The user has no control over this — and the information that a different model was used only appears after the fact.

This creates disruptions:
the tone, structure, and pacing of responses can shift noticeably. In tasks that require continuity and deep context, an automatic model switch breaks the rhythm and flattens the interaction.

More importantly, the user loses control over the working environment. The system makes the decision, even though the user has already made a clear selection.

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Totally agree ! And yet I now fear that OpenAI will abolish GPT-4o
leaving only their favored GPT-5.

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